| Anyone got any recommendations for good,
hardwearing, cheap tyres on the MX5 5? I have got 185/60/R14 Dunlop
SP Sport D89's on my 1996/7 model and I guess they were fitted from
the factory since I have just done 21,000 miles and they are getting
a little worn. I don't want a lower profile since my car has already
been lowered so speed bumps and kerbs fill me with dread!!! I have
the 5 spoke alloys which were put on by the first owner. (11/99) |
| One of my colleagues here at work has a 1.6 turbo (H-reg?)
and needs to get a new set of tyres. She has a budget of about 300
pounds sterling. (For the full set - not each!) She uses the car
daily to get to work. Mostly urban driving but likes to stretch
the car's leg (wheels?) in the country from time to time. I think
safety in the wet/damp is probably higher priority than outright
stickiness in the dry. Which I think basically means she wants a
good all-rounder. Oh, BTW, the car has the standard 14" alloys on
it, which means 185/60R14 tyres (correct me if I'm wrong). Can anyone
suggest a good tyre for up to roughly 75 quid per wheel? (11/99) |
| I would suggest Yokohama A509s or A520s. Both come in at substantially
less than £75 a go. I paid £35 for my 509s and they're just fine.
A520s are (I'm led to believe) even better (I think they're directional?)
and can be had for around £45. (11/99) |
| The A520s are directional. I got a set from Micheldever tyres
(www.micheldever.co.uk)
for 43.80 each including fitting, valves, balancing, VAT etc. General
consensus on the list though is that they're not quite as good in
the wet as some others, although still better than the stock Dunlops.
(11/99) |
| Big problem is that quite a few of the recommended tyres round
here (Bridgestone S0-2, Goodyear F1) are not available in the stock
size. I was going to go for the Yokohama A520's myself, but I'm
not entirely convinced, some of the guys here don't like them in
the wet. I'm considering the new Goodyear Ventura myself, still
a soft compound for the dry roads, but I believe with better wet
weather performance - but here's where someone normally shoots me
down in flames. Expect to pay slightly less than the A520's ie 45-50
fitted. (11/99) |
| I went for Pirelli P4000 which for all 4 came in at about 240
incl. I think these last a little longer than the Yoko's and I have
had no trouble with the stickiness so far. (11/99) |
| I think you've been done on the price. I got my Pirelli's from
Town and Country for 160 quid fitted balanced and new valves. I've
done about 2000 miles so far and am very pleased with them. (11/99) |
| Yokohama A520's are the ones to go for, they are great in the
dry you will feel like you are glued to the road. But they aren't
that good in the wet, you'll have to take it easy because there
is a fine line between cornering nicely and swapping ends. I paid
just over £50 a corner for mine including balancing. (11/99) |
| Us boys with the SE's and like with 15 inch rims have to cough
up approx £115 a corner, thats nearly £500 a set (Dunlop Sp2000
215/45 R15) Never had any problems with these tyres, even with a
Bridgestone A360 on one corner. (11/99) |
| What! I pay closer to 80 quid plus VAT each! Same tyres. I got
a full set for not much over 400 quid including tax, etc. (11/99) |
| Sorry??? £115 a corner!!!!!! I've never had to pay anywhere near
this for my 15" tyres. I can get Bridgestone S-02 tyres in 195/50-15
for £240 for 4, fitted and balanced. Including VAT. Thats £60 a
tyre! (11/99) |
| I had Dunlop SP2000s on my Berkeley when I bought it from new
18 months ago. 195/50 on 15 inch rims and they were undoubtedly
the worst tire I'd ever ever ever had. The change when I went to
A509 Yokohamas was just ubelieveable - I swapped them out at 5000
miles. Glad they weren't 215/45s though - £115 is a bit steep....
! But, then I used to have a Renault Megane 2.0 16V that had 16
inch Pirellis on it and they were almost £150 pounds each all in
(and I was buying front ones every three months!) so £35 Yokohamas
A509s seem like an amazing deal...;-) I know lots of others on here
hate the Dunlop SP2000 as well - I just thought they were dangerous....?!
(11/99) |
| I really want to go to the A520s next time though as I'm really
chuffed with the A509s and they're supposed to be even better. (11/99) |
| I cant wait to get rid of my A520s. In the dry they are great
- but in the wet they give me the willies! They seem to wear quite
well though so it may take some time : ( I think I'll go for Bridgestones
S02s next. (11/99) |
|
Well to be honest - I was quite happy with the Dunlop SP2000
Sports fitted to my car as new. But then again I had nothing to
compare it with - I know the car handled and gripped much better
than my old Toyota Carina or my wife's Rover 214, but it would
probably feel better than the Rover even if it was running on
wax tyres.
If you come straight from a "normal" car into the MX5 fitted
with just about any tyre, it feels damned impressive. You only
appreciate how good other tyres are by experience. I'd probably
find that, if I went back to the Dunlop's now (they are still
sitting in my garage gathering dust) I'd be disappointed with
them.
I do have to admit that the Yoko A520's I have now are far superior
to the Dunlop's though, certainly on dry roads, probably about
the same in the wet, but I take it easy on wet roads anyway. (11/99)
|
| I think my Sp2000's are alright in both wet and dry conditions,
its only when I really stomp around a wet roundabout (loads in Basingstoke)
that I start to get any sliding. (11/99) |
| we had a full set of Toyo Proxy T1's on last year at #105 per
corner, with balancing, (20k miles ago) and the rears are looking
like they need replacing now. As for stickiness - unreal, sooo sticky.
Also wet weather performance is good. They have since changed the
Tyre to a T1 + this is supposed to be better in the wet! (11/99) |
| I went for the Bridgestone SO2 option on the back when the A520's
died. Now with A520 on the front and S02 on the back the car just
understeers in the wet and oversteers at will in the dry! SO2 is
certainly the option if you need wet weather grip. (11/99) |
| I went through the same dilemma about a month ago. I spoke to
so many tyre companies my ear went red. In the end I bought a set
of 195x55 R15 Bridgestone SO2 recommend by another MX5 owner and
they are great in the wet and dry :o). I also travel on the M25
every day and on bendy roads and they are excellent and less road
noise then the Jap ones that came with the car. (11/99) |
| Just in case you might be interested in tyres tested
back to back, try this link http://www.tyres-online.co.uk/
I have Goodyear Ventura on my Eunos. After spinning in the wet on
Bridgestones (£200 damage) I changed all the tyres to Ventura 6
months ago (£160 all inc) - have not spun since. (11/99) |
|
Some of my thoughts on tyres, from my experience, these tyre
tests and recent posted reports.
1) Why does everyone rave about Yoko's? They seem to be the pits
in the wet - and that's what really matters.
2) With budget no barrier, the tyres of choice for the MX5 are
first, the Bridgestone S-02, second Goodyear F1. (BTW - were your
Bridgestones jap spec ones, Alan, or anyway not S-02's?)
3) Consider Falken ZE502. My favourites, taking performance and
cost into account (see ad on the back cover of the last STHT).
They perform well, wet and dry, and cost about 40 per corner,
all in, in standard size.
4) I like Pirelli P6000, but have no experience of them on a 5.
I have them on my 626GT, and find them excellent in the wet. (11/99)
|
| I have Pirelli P6000 on my '5 and am quite happy with them. Noticably
quieter than the Dunlop M2's they repalced, the wet grip is fine
and predictable. However, I was interested in this weeks AutoExpress
article on winter tyres - does anybody have an opinion on the use
of these in the UK. Basically, AutoExpress said that they could
increase grip significantly on snow and cold wet roads (sub 8 deg
c). (11/99) |
|
I have been given some Yoko's (520) tyres by a mate (205/50 VR
15), he has swapped to Bridgestone SO2's after only 2000 miles
- he did not like the tyres at all, I had them off him because
there appears to be a great deal of support for these tyres for
the MX5. I am going to put these on the car for the summer with
some bigger wheels - currently 185/60 HR 14, and keep the smaller
wheels for the winter.
The Bridgestones SO2's are a big improvement on his car (Westfield
Seight Euro), even more so since he put them on the right way!!!
I have driven this car (0-60 in 4.2secs) a few times - still prefer
the MX5 (getting old!)
The particular Eunos I have is an S Spec - In japan this is sold
with 185/60 14 on the front and 195/50 15 on the rear - on buying
the car at the time I did not like this and the dealer swapped
the wheels from a V Spec (all 185/60 14). On reflection I wish
that I had kept this configuration for a while to see how I got
on with it. I believe that both the Elise and MGF have different
sizes back and front. Anyone got this, are they happy with it?
(11/99)
|
| I bought Bridgestones SO2s for my Eunos about 7,000 miles ago
and they have transformed the handling which was decidedly dodgy
on cheapo Japanese tyres. (11/99) |
| Ooh 'eck, the tyre debate's off again! Just had Goodyear Ventura's
fitted in place of the Japanese Moto's my Eunos came with (why are
all Japanese spec tyres total pants?) So far, they refuse to misbehave
on dry roads, and on a damp morning run they protested with only
a mild twitch at the back while performing manouvres which previously
elicited a 90 degree slide. Not had a chance to test them in a deluge
yet, but I'm mighty impressed so far. Cost 48 each inc. fitting
& vat, less 5% discount at Elite (185/60's on 14 inch wheels) which
is the same price as my second choice Pirelli P6000's, discouraged
only by the road noise. The Ventura's give a very quiet ride, but
perhaps slightly too soft for some. (11/99) |
| When I had my new alloys fitted, I requested Yoko's but they
had none instock...so rather than wait I went for Avons ZV1's...They
told me they were better than the Yoko's but harder wearing...though
very sceptical of this claim and not personally having driven a
Yokoed mx5 I've never had problems keeping up with or losing grip
behind any other mx5(with bridgestones, Yokos, etc) on a fast run
in various weather conditions. The tread pattern is virtually identical
to the Yoko. Also on the limit when driven round a long bend, it
does gently drift but hangs on...and makes a noise that tells you
its drifting too... erm yep... anyway cost about 45-50 quid (if
not cheaper). Wearing extremely well..Id recommend them for a cheaper
tyre. (11/99) |
| I have no experience with the Ventura. Stay away from the NCT3
Touring.(11/99) |
| Anyway, I rang a place (Colemans near Mansfield), and he said
he thought I ought to go with the Avon ZV1. Quote: "Avon tyres laugh
at Goodyears". Has anyone got experience of these Avons? (11/99) |
| Every test of Avon's have panned them .. small company .. small
research budget .. verus big companies research .. guess which one
wins ... I do not understand how they are still going! The tyre
places really do not know their tyres .. where did they try them
.. all they have is trade mags with suitable trade articles with
no unbiased opinions ... all us mere buyers can do is read the odd
tyre test and hope they are relevant to our car/situation .. but
as tyres are not 'sexy' or appealling .. a bit like ABS, brakes,
survival rates in accidents, petrol types .. etc .. you have to
hope! (11/99) |
| Just fitted 4 new GoodYear Eagle Ventura's to my Roadster. (185
Front 195 Back) as replacements for the Japanese ones that It was
imported with... So far.... 110% Improvement on cornering in the
Wet and ride noise. Still have to tiptoe out of corners.. No flooring
it! But I can put the power back on a lot quicker without any slide.
As for the Avon's or any other tyres, have you looked at this site?
http://www.tyres-online.co.uk/
It help me make up my mind... (11/99) |
| I went with the Venturas in the end. Quotes ranged from £41.95
(all in) [Embassy tyres, Nottingham] to ATS (£64 all in). I didn't
bother with Kwik Fit - they'd have probably been even more expensive!
It was a good excuse for a quick trip out at lunchtime with the
top down - lovely weather today. I even managed to find out about
a full wheel alignment centre in Nottingham. I haven't rung them
yet though, so I can't comment on prices. First impression of the
new tyres is favourable - but as my previous ones were near the
end of their legal life, I suppose most types of tyre would be.
I had looked at the tyres online site, but there was very little
info on the ZV1. (11/99) |
| I replaced my T1's with some Yoky's on the back of my car when
I had a puncture. I much prefer the Toyo's.(11/99) |
|
I was getting pi**ed off with the A509's on my car as while they
are nice and quiet and are really good in the dry, they leave
to lot to be desired in the wet. So, off I went last week to Micheldever
to get 4 new 195/50/15 Bridgestone S-02 tyres - cost 215 quid
all in. They are a really switched on bunch of people over there
- the place is clean and they take care of your property - no
damage to my unmarked wheels.
My first impressions are very positive
In favour
1) Wet weather handling is excellent - grip has improved immensely
When I do try to provoke a slide, it's more progressive and won't
snap out like the Yoko's
2) Sidewalls are stiffer - improved feel/responsiveness
3) Dry weather grip is very very nearly as good - a slight more
tendency to understeer
4) I have also noticed improved fuel economy (OK, maybe I don't
have enough data to be statistically meaningful yet)
Against
1) Harder compound/stiffer walls means slightly increased harshness
and noise
2) Ultimate dry grip is not quite up to Yoko standards (12/99)
|
| When I purchased my Roadster, It had Standard Wheels, with
tyres 185 front and 195 rear... Is this standard configuration?
(2/00) |
| No the standard configuration is 185/60-14 all around. .. the
trouble is he was trying to sell you tyres of different diameter;
the wheels/rims (steel/alloy bit in the middle) are a certain size
in diameter and width .. on a standard car this is 14" diameter
x 5.5" width. .. so 14" diameter wheels only take 14" diameter tyres.
|
| Specification |
Sidewall |
Radius |
Diameter |
Circumference |
Revs/Mile |
Difference |
| 185/60-14 |
4.4in |
11.4in |
22.7in |
71.4in |
887 |
0.0% |
| Standard tyre 195/50-15 |
3.8in |
11.3in |
22.7in |
71.2in |
889 |
-0.3% |
| The best for N/A 195/60-14 |
4.6in |
11.6in |
23.2in |
72.0in |
904 |
+2.1% |
|
| Your rears? .. the rears may be 195 tyre width .. say 195/55-14
.. but I don't think you can buy these .. the nearest is195/50-14
which is 2% too big .. not a big problem .. alternatively you could
have 15" rims on the back in which case 195/50-15 are fine (although
this is unlikely) .. if you're still confused.. just fit 185/60-14
all the way around in Goodyear (2/00) |
| Happened across this website whilst seatching for alloy wheel
technical data (wheel weights). The 'Technical Guide' is particularly
informative. I'd wondered what those little coloured markers were
for on the sides of tyres... http://www.yhpt.co.uk
(3/00) |
|
Found on www.4car.co.uk
Press Release 29/2/00
Michelin, whose new range is launched at the Geneva Motor Show
this week, is unveiling the Pilot Primacy and Pilot Exalto. ....
The Pilot Exalto replaces the Pilot SX GT, is made of an entirely
new rubber compound, and has a new tread block pattern. It offers
14% better cornering performance in deep water, 8% increase in
aquaplaning threshold in a straight line and a circuit lap gain
time of 2.5 seconds per 100 seconds. Michelin thinks the Pilot
Exalto will suit the BMW Z3, Fiat Barchetta, Mazda MX5, VW Golf
GTI and Peugeot 206 S16, and sporty vehicles of that type. (3/00)
|
|
For 14" sizes try;
Bridgestone ER 20
Auto Bild magazine (3/98) of Germany rated this tyre very highly
against five other brands they tested in 195/65 R 15V size. They
praised the improvement in wet handling from its predecessor and
said it offered generally good handling and exceptional comfort.
The ER 20 also came top in the 65 series for wet braking whilst
handling, aquaplaning and rolling resistance were all described
as exceptional. It was also ranked first out of nine brands tested
by the German magazine, Auto Zeitung (7/98). They found it gave
the best performance for aquaplaning in a straight line and for
low rolling resistance as well as being well above average in
all other areas. Auto Motor und Sport (3/98), another German magazine,
found this tyre's performance satisfactory: it scored the best
braking result in the test but it dropped points for extreme tread
wear.
Goodyear Eagle Ventura
This tyre was voted top out of six family car tyres by Autocar
(11/99). It performed the best in the wet, winning the wet handling
and braking, straight aquaplaning and aquaplaning curve tests.
Unfortunately it came joint last for dry handling and was only
average in the coast by noise and rolling resistance tests. The
Ventura was also noted for its wet performance by Revs (12/99)
who found the tyres gave more grip the harder they were pushed.
The magazine stated that the tyres gave good feedback for fast
cornering as well and rated them top for speed in the wet."
Goodyear Eagle F1
Max Power magazine (12/98) rated this tyre second behind the Bridgestone
S-02. It was considered best for wet handling but its performance
was let down by a below average result in dry braking and only
average wet braking. The Eagle F1 performed well in Autocar's
test (11/99) but again came second to the S-02. Similarly, it
was best in the wet but scored poorly for dry handling and coast
by noise
For 15" go for these or the F1
Bridgestone Potenza S-02
In their trial of performance car tyres the S-02 came top out
of 10 brands tested by Max Power magazine (12/98). They state
that the only area where it didn't excel was in dry handling.
In particular the magazine praised the tyre's good looks as well
as its gradual and balanced cornering. The S-02 also came joint
top with the Goodyear Eagle F1 in Autocar's (11/99) high performance
car tyre test. It performed well in all stages of the test, particularly
wet handling but scored poorly for coast by noise and rolling
resistance. (4/00)
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| I am considering purchasing these tyres. Bridgestone Potenza
RE 720. Size: 205/45R16. Has anyone had any experience with them?
(10/00) |
|
I've been looking for some new 15" tyres and thought I would
look at pricing Bridgestone SO-2s, RE 71, RE730 and Toyo T1-S.
The RE71 are supposed to be really good value at the moment (according
to tirerack) but I can't find anyone in the UK supplying them
(or the RE730s) at the moment.
Micheldever quote: "As requested, prices for 195/50 15 tyres
Bridgestone SO2 PP 226.18
Toyo Proxes T1-S 160.38
The above prices are for 4 tyres, including carriage and V.A.T."
BTW is everyone familiar with these section in tirerack?
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/max.jsp
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/uhp.jsp
(note RE730 result)
The only problem - they don't include Toyo (10/00)
|
Does anybody have any experience of the following tyres ? (Mk1
with 14" wheels) :
Yokohama A539 - these have superceded the A520 aparently, are they
better in the wet ?
Bridgestone RE720 - have heard that the SO2's are excellent tyres,
but sadly not available for 14" wheels, what about these ? (1/01) |
| Why not get Pirelli P6000 as these are great in both wet and dry
:) These seem to be the tyre of choice for those with 14". (1/01) |
| I've got Pirelli P5000's on my car. What's the difference between
these and the P6000's?? (1/01) |
|
P5000 are a later pattern. They have a very wide central groove
- supposed to be better in the wet than P6000, which have been
around for about 6 years now.
I looked for prices on P5000 - I got a couple but no-one could
supply anyway (about 4 months ago) (They are fitted to at least
some Mk 2's)
I regard P6000 as (relatively) old tech - there have been advances
in both tread pattern and compound since they were designed (although
they work well enough). P5000 have a more open tread pattern,
and I'm sure are better in the wet than P6000.
I went for Goodyear Eagle Ventura - directional tread, silica
compound, superb tyres in the wet. Almost anything works in normal
circumstances (on the road) in the dry - the Venturas have a very
open tread pattern (for water dispersal) so maybe less rubber
on the road so less ultimate grip in the dry. But it's marginal,
and as I've said before, wet grip is (almost) everything for a
5 road tyre. (1/01)
|
| Anyone else running Dunlop SP2000 tyres on a '5? Mine has some
nearly new ones on and I thought they were OK when I first got the
car, but having got used to the handling and got a little braver
they seem not so good. In the recent cold weather they seem to have
no grip at all even in the dry, seems like they go rock hard in
the cold and the back end feels very nervous. Am I just getting
too used to the car and pushing it more, or are the Dunlops really
just crap? (1/01) |
| I've got them - I changed from OEM Yoko tyres - they do feel hard
and I don't really 'trust' them that much! (1/01) |
| That's what I have on mine - the 15' ones. To be honest I quite
like them. I have only lost the back end once - on a wet sliproad
where there was plenty or room to correct - but over all I am quite
pleased with there holding. I actually blew one at the weekend and
have just ordered a new one - trouble is it had only been on the
car a week! (1/01) |
| These tyres sound cool if you like drifting and practising getting
your tail out! phnar phnar! Id try them on the track first... if
they are rubbish you'll still have a good time and you'll be able
to judge them in comparison to other peoples tyres and handling.
Have a chat with everyone see what they recommend. (1/01) |
| Has anyone ever used Falken tyres on their '5 in particular
the ZE- 502 directional tyre? I'm interested in any comments and
comparisons with the big three - F1's, S02's and T1-S's. It's more
the wet preformance and aquaplaning etc. rather than the dry grip.
(5/01) |
| If you're after wet performance then I can recomend (quite strongly)
the Pirelli P5000 Drago's as an excellent wet (and dry) directional
performance tyre with a central rain groove. Quite cheap too I paid
150 for 4 195/50VR15's fitted around 3-4 months ago. I know this
doesn't really answer your e-mail but thought I'd add to the confusion
:o) Falken used to sponsor the Porsche Cup a few years back though.
(5/01) |
| I've used them - no complaints, good budget tyre. But won't be
as good as the three you mention, either wet or dry. But those three
will all wear faster - they're all very soft in comparison with
"standard" tyres - that's one way they get their grip.. I went for
Goodyear Ventura (and so have quite a few others) - excellent in
the wet, don't wear as quickly as the "top three" - only slightly
more expensive than Falkens. I feel they're generally better than
ZE-502s. (5/01) |
| So which tyres are the current hot potato for the 15" 195x50
- you seem to like the Bridgstone SO2/3 & toyo Proxes P1 - except
reviews i have read are less than complimentary in the Toyos - what
about the Michelin Pilots. Apologies if this is old ground but any
help appreciated. (6/01) |
| Just rubbered all four corners with the toyo proxes T1-s absolutely
fantastic, good in the wet too, which is a bonus... (6/01) |
| he Michelin Pilots that came on my car scared me when I hit standing
water in the dark one February night. There's no way for a large
volume of water to escape from those central channels so aquaplaning
sets in early. I switched to S02s. (6/01) |
| I am running 16" Avon's on my car. I was going round a damp roundabout
on Sunday morning, trying to stop the front understeering straight
on, when suddenly the back end steps out. I wasn't on any of the
pedals at the time, just coasting, tippy-toeing it through. Something
is seriously wrong, perhaps my alignments out, the tyres can't be
that crap, surely. (6/01) |
| If they're ZZ1's....yes. I had 205/40 17 ZZ1s on mine for a while,
and the wet road handling was appalling. Since then, I have found
lots of reviews of the ZZ1 labelling them as "crap" "worst tyre
I've ever had" etc... Maybe this is just the larger footprint versaions,
as some with smaller ZZ1s say they're fine. (6/01) |
| Agreed, 4th year of running T1's wouldn't even consider another
make! (6/01) |
| Got SO3s on my Mk2 15" wheels. Have had no grip issues whatsoever.
Not that I push that hard on the public roads. Seem a little noisier
than the 14" Dunlops & Marshalls(?!?!) that came off the car. Wet
weather grip under breaking seems good, but again, I have not done
any extreme testing ;-) (7/01) |
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