| Do the stock springs on 1.6 and 1.8 have different ratings
or do they use the same springs? What's their rating anyway? (12/99) |
Measuring the European way =compress 1/3 and measure
| Springs |
Price |
Front |
% |
Rear |
% |
Lowering/comments |
| STOCK spr |
|
155 |
0 |
95 |
0 |
|
| Eibach spr |
150 GBP |
230 |
148% |
140 |
147% |
30mm have sagged with some (demon reco) |
| JR spr |
240 GBP |
|
0% |
|
0% |
|
| Spax spr |
95 GBP |
|
125% |
|
125% |
35mm progressive |
| DA spr |
179 GBP |
|
0% |
|
0% |
25mm progressive rear |
| Jamex prog spr |
106 GBP |
|
120% |
|
120% |
40mm progressive |
| OMP prog spr |
86 GBP |
|
0% |
|
0% |
20-40mm |
| Sparco prog spr |
85 GBP |
|
0% |
|
0% |
25-40 mm |
| Suspension tech |
|
175 |
113% |
105 |
111% |
|
| H&R race |
150 GBP |
265 |
171% |
140 |
147% |
40mm (demon reco) |
| Racing beat street |
|
220 |
142% |
125 |
132% |
|
| Racing beat race |
|
230 |
148% |
135 |
142% |
|
| Lesjofors |
a/save ? |
|
|
|
|
|
| AVO/Chassis dynamics |
a/save ? |
|
|
|
|
Max power rated as hard/bouncy |
| Elite (Swedish progressive) |
|
|
|
|
|
Jonas thought they were hard with Bilsteins!
|
| G&M |
c/point |
|
? |
|
? |
30mm |
| P&I |
c/point |
|
120% |
|
120% |
35mm not progressive |
Not sure on 1.6 or 1.8 stock springs measured at top ..US source
so I suspect 1.6 cars as they are the most heavily tuned/explored.
They will be different no doubt .. Eunos are different colour
codes to Miatas at the least .. anyway the whole subject is a
little dangerous anyway as no one gives out real numbers for fear
that you will copy them .. and the stockists mostly do not know.
A '94 1.8 Miata has the following characteristics from which
I could guess the spring rate with some large assumptions
Front; White mark, 11mm wire, 83mm Inner diameter, 293mm free
length, 6.32 coils
Rear; Yellow mark, 10.1mm wire, 83mm Inner diameter, 348mm FL,
7.68 coils .
(12/99)
|
| I would have to go and find out the number of active coils first.
A simple method for you is to measure the ride height; '94 1.8 range
(with camber!) (12/99) |
| Front Ride height |
Camber (+/-45' ) |
| 328-337mm |
-0d 20' |
| 338-347mm |
0d 03' |
| 348-357mm |
0d 24' |
| 358-367mm |
0d 44' |
| 368-377mm |
1d 02' |
| |
|
| Rear Ride height |
Camber (+/-30' ) |
| 346-355mm |
-1d 08' |
| 356-365mm |
-0d 54' |
| 366-375mm |
-0d 43' |
| 376-385mm |
-0d 35' |
| 386-395mm |
-0d 30' |
|
| http://www.earthnet.net/~pk2pkmc/springs.html
(12/99) |
|
Changing the shock/springs is a VERY easy job. You will need
a couple of spring compressors (about 20) and a good socket set
and preferably a torque wrench but that's all. You can do it by
yourself (I have done all 4 in about 4 hours), but for a first
time a second pair of hands/feet are a big help for pushing and
pulling at things to help you remove the shock/spring assembly.
For a total of 70 I would say that it would perhaps be worth
giving it ago to see how it turns out, if it turns out bad you
can put it all back the way it was for free and when you buy more
shocks you'll save money by fitting them yourself (''cause by
then you'll be an expert;-). Have a play with the Bilstiens before
buying, visually check them for wear etc. The rod should be able
to be pushed in by hand by a steady force and should return slowly
when pressure is released. By no means a proper test of the shocks
'goodness' but it will at least pick out a really dead one. I
know nothing about the Bilstiens ride quality or their life expectancy
though. I'm pretty sure the shocks from 1.8 to 1.6s are the same
as far as fitting specs go, but can't be sure. (1/01)
|
| Fitting new springs at the weekend, any hints / warnings?
(5/01) |
| Just make sure your spring compressors are secure before you start
unbolting things. Mark the suspension alignment bolt positions clearly
so you can set it up as close as possible to the original settings,
and get a proper 4 wheel alignment done once the springs have settled
down. (5/01) |
| They only advice I'd offer, did them a couple of weeks ago, is
use a socket extension and you biggest socket as a tool co compress
the shocks on the front. Note you must use spring compressors for
the springs first. I can't really explain it any better than that
but when you do the fronts you'll see what I mean! (5/01) |
| Has anybody fitted Eibach lower springs kit to their '5? How
do they feel? How much lower did they make it? and how low can you
go? Is 35mm too much? Did your spring kit improve the handling or
just improve the looks? Is there a better lowering kit out there?
(7/01) |
|
Is 35mm too much?
I would say thats about as much as you'd want to go. You could
go to 60mm, but you're going to hit speed bumps etc all the time.
I think the Eibach springs are fairly stiff.
Is there a better lowering kit out there?
Lots of spring kits out there. I think most 30mm lowering kits
will work ok with standard shock absorbers, if these are in good
condition.
I suppose any lowering will in theory improve handling, just
because you're lowering the centre of gravity. But compressing
standard shocks too much will quickly knacker them, and then you
find back roads are a pain; often the car will feel its lsing
control somewhat on roads with an adverse camber.
If you're doing the springs, and the car has more than, say,
30k on it, change the shocks while you're at it. Note, most direct
replacement shocks will go the same way as stock shocks on madly
lowered springs, unless you invest in an adjustible lower perch
kit (the bit on the shock what the spring sits on). But then by
the time you've figured these in, you're well on the way to something
like a Koni kit or imported KYB AGX kit. Bilstein do a pricey
shock/Eibach spring combo, but Spax do a good value complete kit
(they're a lot better than in the past) (7/01)
|
| Eibach have received good reviews both here and elsewhere and
the dealer I spoke to also praised them. Someone I spoke to at Eibach
said that they lowered the MX5 25mm although I have seen 35mm mentioned
elsewhere. My main motivation for fitting them is to reduce body
roll and eliminate the choppy ride when pressed hard. My Mk2 has
under 7k mls on it and the dealer recommended leaving standard shocks
as stiffer springs and uprated shocks would reduce ride quality
to below reasonable for road use. Incidentaly the fronts are linear
and the rears progressive. After owning an MX5 for 8 months I would
be wary of deviating too far from what Mazda intended for road use.
It would be easy to ruin what is basically a fine car as any modifications
are a compromise between handling, ride quality, driveability etc.
For me appearance is not a big issue, infact the more standard it
looks the better it is. (7/01) |
|
My main motivation for fitting them is to reduce body roll
and eliminate the choppy ride when pressed hard.
Although stiffer springs will reduce body-roll due to their shorter
travel, they won't improve the ride. The cheapest way to keep
the car more level in corners is to uprate the roll bars. The
choppy ride can also be improved by a change of dampers. Tests
in the States suggest that the handling suffers when excessively
lowered, and the optimum geometry is achieved when the axis of
the lower arm inner and outer pivot points are parallel with the
ground. Lower than this and the roll centre actually rises, increasing
roll. The general consensus is that standard springs, together
with height and rebound adjustable dampers is the way to go, both
for ride and grip. Ultra low cars might look quick round corners
but they ain't ;-) (7/01)
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