| Well after driving over 700 miles this week, got
back home, went to some friends house, got in the car to go home
and noticed that the clutch pedal had virtually no resistance and
just went straight to the floor, the gears engaged but the clutch
wasnt engaging until my foot was buried into the carpet. Then on
the way home really difficult to get the car to go down the gears
and it got worse I could hardly engage any of the gears, only numerous
double clutcthing seemed to get it into gear..eventually! Anyone
I got home ok, and Im hopefully going to be able to claim on my
warranty, and take it to a garage. Can anyone tell me what they
think is wrong with the car? I've been driving on a run today quite
hard and the gears and clutch have both been fine, no slipping or
anything unusual, its just gone very suddenly. So is it the clutch
thats gone or clutch cable perhaps? Any idea of cost and time to
fix it? (2/00) |
| Slave cylinder. (it is a hydraulic clutch .. so there is a pump
under your foot ... a flexible pipe .. and a slave cylinder at the
other end .. so no cable) (2/00) |
| Well I've now checked the clutch fluid (master cylinder?) and
found it to be virtually empty! Ive topped it up and the feel has
returned to the clutch pedal. If it goes again (which I think it
will) I assume I've got a leak somewhere and will get it fixed.
So I'll see how long it lasts till it goes again. I looked for signs
of a leak under/in the car and can find none and around the master
cylinder (I dont know where the slave cylinder is) but couldnt find
any. Again anyone who's had similar problems, I'd be interested
in any advice you can give me. (2/00) |
| Get a new slave cylinder or get a rebuild. I would not wait for
a long time to get it fixed as you will treat your cars underbody
with brake fluid from the slave cylinder, which is an excellent
paint stripper. (2/00) |
Thanks for your help..just a few more questions.
1) Where is the slave cylinder? Is the one in the engine bay near
the drivers side corner the Master or Slave cylinder?
2) How much do they cost?
3) I've got an enthusiasts handbook, so how difficult would it be
to fit myself..ie any special tools needed etc? (2/00) |
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1)That is the master. The slave is bolted to the clutch housing
(or the engine???) on the drivers side (RHD). Once under the car,
you will spot it easily. Or have a look through the front right
wheel arch, youll be able to see it down there, too
2) A new one was a little less than DM 100 (30 quid???). Kits
to rebuild them are about a third of that price.
3) No special tools, and not very difficult. A bit messy because
of the brake fluid that will run up your arm once you are under
the car .... A special spanner for brake lines might come in handy,
but any other good open end wrench in the right size (8mm???)
will work good enough. (2/00)
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| It has to happen sooner or later as I do loads of mileage.
The clutch started to feel odd last week and by yesterday it had
about an inch and a half of spongy free play with the bitepoint
near the floor causing me to stall it a couple of times during car
park manoeuvres. Got to be the hydraulics which I have suspected
since I got the car. The hydraulic fluid was originally black. I
changed it but by last week it was black again. I syphoned most
of the reservoir out and refilled, but that is again turning black.
So I suspect degrading seals in the master cylinder (wouldn't expect
grot from the slave cylinder to come up into the reservoir?). From
the workshop manual it looks a piece of cake to dismantle - one
bolt from behind the steering column, one in the engine bay, a circlip
to remove and thats the piston out. I know the question has been
asked before but I've forgotten the answer - can you buy seals for
the cylinders or does the whole thing have to be replaced at great
expense? (5/00) |
| When I had to renew my clutch slave cylinder a couple of weeks
ago, I also noticed that the fluid was black. I looked in the master
cylinder and saw some black sludge at the bottom. Whenever I added
new fluid, this gradually turned it black. My clutch seems to be
working fine now but I would also like to know what that sludge
is. Can it really be from the seals?! This might sound silly but
I wondered whether it was a dye added to make the fluid level easier
to see through what is a rather opaque reservoir??!! (5/00) |
| The 'black' is carbon black added to the rubber seals to make
them black!!! .. something from 3 years looking at master cylinders
doing this with Lucas Girlings as a development engineer. (5/00) |
| Hmmm.....used Roadster Thurs/Fri of last week - no problems
whatsoever....usually "light-switch" gearchange. Moved it on the
drive on Saturday....no problem (apparent) Went to go out in it
last night - er....no gears. Eventually started it in first and
had a very "notchy" journey. Used the car today and the matter is
now dire - went for a gear this morning and ended up having to coast
around the next bend. Same again when we left work tonight. Had
to start the car in reverse to pull out, then stop the car, start
in first and then double de-clutch up and down the box! Is this
what it's like when the clutch goes? (9/00) |
| How much pedal pressure do you have? Check the clutch reservoir
and top up if necessary. A leak from the clutch slave cylinder is
possible, as it seems pretty common (not expensive). The symptons
aren't always totla loss of pedal pressure (thats when you get a
massive leak, buts its more common to have a slow leak). I've found
the pedal gets marginally more "floppy". Topping up, and a few pumps
sorts it out for the moment. When the clutch goes on these, I think
its usually the classic clutch slippage, with bite point usually
at the top of travel. When the clutch plates bind, thats more usual
in fwd cars. (9/00) |
| Thanks for replies on this thus far - the one thing I didn't
mention was that, at standstill, you can hear and "feel" a whirring
sound as you try for gears. (9/00) |
| Clutch reservoir drier than a witches ti....er.......fuel pump
this time last week. Filled up with fluid, had a good pump (they
can't touch you for it) and had gears. Still a tad notchy but then
we know all is not well... Phew - easy one to fix then. Thanks again
all who commented. "Mileage" is 78,000 KM.....is that about the
going rate for this problem? I realise it will vary with specific
usage but might be a useful diary note for other owners. (9/00) |
| Fitted a new clutch cylinder at the weekend, to replace one that
had been leaking for quite a while. Straightforward job. I drained
the clutch master cylinder beforehand, using a 60ml syringe and
tubing. Undid the line, and removed the old cylinder; top 12mm bolt
easy to get to, through the wheel well. Bottom one was more akward,
being behind the suspension arm; a universal joint extension would
have been helpful. The old cylinder looked wet from the outside.
When I took it apart, the bellows rubber boot was full of brake
fluid, and some pitting on the cylinder wall. The replacement unit
only cost £25, so it wasn't worth messing around with the overhaul
kit. The clutch fluid line needs a bit of bending to go in straight,
without cross threading. I found I needed to prime the cylinder
before bleeding; easy to do by drawing through brake fluid through
the bleed nipple. After bleeding, the clutch now feels like new,
with none of the free play I had before. (2/01) |
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