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I recently met someone with a roadster who had cleverly wired
up the boot mounted brakelight as a Fog lamp. I had the opportunity
to have a look at a road traffic manual (Road Vehicles Lighting
Regulations '89) and it has nothing which would make this illegal
Max. height for lamp 1000mm
Min. height 250mm
Preferred on Centre line or offside
If not in the same body as the lights the lamp must be 100mm
away No requirement for size or wattage The lamp must be switchable
independently of the brakes At the end of the day the fog lamp
is for your own safety so I suppose it is in your best interest
to make it as safe as possible. (2/00)
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| But is the third brake light required? (2/00) |
| My Roadster has been wired to use the high level brake light as
a fog light. It works well. Don't know if it was done by the importer
or in Japan (2/00) |
| I've had 2 MOT's on my modified Roadster with no problem.,...
(2/00) |
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I've done this - with a twist.
My high level brake light works as a fog light when it's switched
on (and then I have two normal brake lights). But when it's off,
it works as a third brake light. And no - the two normal brake
lights don't come on when you switch the fog light on.
Is it legal?
Dunno - my MoT tester says not, so I have a plug........... But
the law is that the fog light must be at least 100mm away from
a brake light. But when it's on, it's nowhere near a brake light.
(2/00)
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| Anyone know how this is done? (2/00) |
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Easy: use 2 diodes as follows: (ugly ascii-art follows)

use a diode that will survive the amps that go through it...
i.e. MR 751 (6 amps).
Or, to make mounting easier: use a bridge rectifier, connect
each of the switches to one of the AC (~) terminals, and use the
(+) connection to connect the fog/brake light. ( a simple thing
like a B80C5000 wil do) ask the local radio shack...
All this is assuming the switches are connected to ground, and
the lamp to +12V.
If the circuit works the other way around (unlikely) use the
(-) erminal on the bridge rectifier... (2/00)
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| Uh... I can't believ I reversed the direction of the diodes in
that stupid ASCII "art" (the arrows should point toward the switches....
sorry 'bout that... (2/00) |
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I saw the reply above, and he's right - but not sure if you'll
understand it, so here's my attempt at ASCIIArt.:

As he says, use beefy diodes --6A are fine. (2/00)
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| Hummmm ... I suppose this is the easy way .. me ... I just use
a changeover relay .. old fashion heavy engineering .. cannot beat
it! .. and it provides an easy unplug solution for the MOT .. just
use a marker pen on one of the wire terminals ... cost to me - free
as I had a few off the Montego/Maestro production line! (2/00) |
| I used a relay, mounted on a bracket near the battery. The foglight
switch operates the relay, which selects either a +12V supply or
the brakelight circuit to power the centre lamp. (2/00) |
| Wiring diagram here as pdf (7/00) |
I am in the middle of fitting a fog light to my Eunos, I am
attempting to sink it into the bumper like the UK car, so I currently
have the car in several pieces in the garage (see
pics on website).I need measurements...
How far from the bottom lip of the bumper does the hole start?
How wide is the hole?
How deep is the hole?
I need accuracy though I'm afraid. (2/00) |
| I'm not sure you can do the same thing on your Eunos. IIRC, on
euro cars, not only the outer shell, but also the inner bumper is
different, it has a reassessed (is that the word?) spot for the
foglight. So you could fit it, but it would require cutting the
inner bumper as well and I wouldn't do that for safety reasons.
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| Here goes: it is 12.3 cm wide at the top, It stays 12.3cm wide
for about 3cm, than it narrows down to 10.5cm at the bottom. So
the hole isn't square! Height is 9.5cm. The corners are rounded,
so the 12.3 and 10.5 are measured at .5cm from the top/bottom resp.
The right side of the cutout is approx. 2.5cm to the left on the
center of the car. (2/00) |
| Somewhere I have a template .. but the basic way I got my first
one was to drill holes roughly about 1" too small and cut more with
a stanley knife .. the template works off the little group of 5
pips on the bottom lip. (2/00) |
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Recently I got rear fog lights fitted below the bumper. As
you can imagine, they are a complete eyesore, but I did feel they
were the safest option (garage convinced me people may misinterpret
a rear foglight positioned where the rear 3rd brakelight is...not
convinced, but they did make me concerned!!!)
I got two fitted (I thought it would be more pleasing to
the eye as it would look more balanced) and was wondering how
easy is it to get a bodyshop to cut them both into the rear bumper.
I've seen pics of one
being cut into the position of a rear fog on a UK car. Is it just
as easy to fit two? Does anyone have any idea of labour time/expense
that would be involved? Is there any risks/advice/tips I could
tell the bodyshop about if I got it done? (4/00)
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I cut into the bumper of my Roadster to fit the fog light, this
weekend just gone. The light was one of those 5 quid jobs from
Halfords. It took me and a couple of mates about 3 hours, but
that's 'cus we took it slowly to make sure we did it properly
- it paid off, 'cus the fog lit fitted perfectly.
Basically, thanks to the pics
provided, I removed the rear bumper and worked out where to
mount the fog light. Fortunately there's some convenient holes
set just off center to the left and right. I chose to mount it
on the right-hand side (as on the UK spec 5), Then, while I was
under the car, I got my mates to put the bumper back on so I could
see where I needed to cut. In terms of working out how much to
take off, I took off bits at a time - going on the philosophy
that you can't put it back on once you've taken it off! And that's
it...job done! (4/00)
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| Has anyone fitted a foglight from a Proton (Compacts, late model
"originals"); they're quite slim in design. A couple of those fitted
into a factory rear skirt would look quite well. Hmmm...maybe when/if
I get another Roadster. (4/00) |
| I also seen the new Peugeot 206 has a very small central fog.
This looks like it would push fit into a suitable hole. (4/00) |
| I have done the UK style fog lamp conversion, http://themx5.homepage.com/foglight.htm/
If there are a few people interested in the actual process then
I will post it to my website. (4/00) |
| An idea to fit a very bright light source into the offside reversing
light position would be to put a cluster of ultra high brightness
red LEDs: these are (a) incredibly bright (burn your cornea out
bright, the same as fog lights) and (b) I've seen them available
in "light replacement" form, ie a lamp base plus a cluster of 5+
LEDs where the glass would usually be. Might take some hunting,
but this would probably give both a legal and a useful foglight
- and it's definitely a directed beam. (5/00) |
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