| Does anyone have any advice regarding a cracked
manifold. I have a Enuos Roadster 1.8S Special from Japan. I assume
the exhaust system that it has is standard on that particular model
(but not a standard UK MX-5 exhaust according to my local dealer),
it's stainless steel, unfortunately the welding on the manifold
has cracked. So I'm faced with a problem. Do I try and get it re-welded.
This seems to be a difficult thing according to all my local garages,
mainly as it cannot be welded while attched to the engine, and once
removed, would have to be put into a jig to stop it from changes
shape, and therefore not fitting back on correctly. Do I try to
get a new manifold. What are my chances of getting one that fits
the rest of the system, or are they standard sizes. My last option,
which is one I am seriously considering is, replace the whole exhaust
system. I have been looking around and like the stainless model
MOSS UK produces. Does anyone
have and recommendations?? (1/00) |
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Others can advise on exhaust system, but regards manifold of
"headers" I'm told the Jackson Racing headers are about the best
there is. You shouldn't have to change anything except the headers
and the gasket to the rest of the system.
I'd make a temporary patch with some of the exhaust bandage stuff
while you get some quality headers. (1/00)
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| My ceramic coated JR header (the late 95/early 96 variety) cracked
after 60 k miles hard use. FWIW (1/00) |
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1/ it is probably not the original exhaust .. a lot of these
cars had replacements fitted by enthusiastic owners - does it
have the heat shield with the embossed 'hot' symbols on it ..
very thin steel but formed around the manifold/header and in two
parts?
2/ 1.8 Roadsters from '93/'94 were fitted with 1.6 catalytic
converters; this means the manifold/header is 2" longer than the
UK version. I do not know if this practise was carried on beyond
'94. The back of the cat is still in the same place so this does
not affect cat back aftermarket systems.
3/ You really need to take it off to reweld it - there is no
access in situ to confidently weld it. If it cracked it will be
a fitting/vibration issue .. it may well crack again if this is
not resolved.. it could be resonating. I cannot believe that it
will distort with ordinary welding - the shape is far too complex
... and how hot do they think it gets normally? You do need to
get to a stainless steel TIG welder to do a good job .. this is
not the same as MIG and is normally more of a specialist thing
to do .... definitely not back street garage stuff ... look in
yellow pages under steel fabricators specialising in sheet steel
work. (1/00)
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The stainless steel "headers" "extractors" whatever, may or may
not distort noticeabley. It would depend on where and how long
the crack is. It also depends on how skilful the welder.
All that needs to be done is for them to be clamped to a solid
flat plate, and kept there until again cool.
Personally, (and depending on how old the headers seem to be)
I would go for a weld job first. Remember, as long as you can
get them back on the engine with the gasket taken up and the other
end plugged into the remainder fo the pipe the headers will self
anneal and take up whatever "set" you have them bolted into. (1/00)
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1.8 Roadsters from '93/'94 were fitted with 1.6 catalytic
converters; this means the manifold/header is 2" longer than the
UK version. I do not know if this practise was carried on beyond
'94.
Great care needed with aftermarket bits, then. (1/00)
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| Yep, I got a cat replacement pipe from Magnex, for a '92 1.6,
when it came it was 2" too long, so I had to exchange it for a 1.8.
Even then it has a small stub connector for the cat overheat sensor
(which UK cars don't have) and needed blanking off. (1/00) |
| Just to let you know that if you are thinking of replacing the
manifold. Check that you have the sensor on your existing pipe (it's
just before the cat). If you don't have one (like me) then you will
need a plug for the hole in your new exhaust manifold which you
will probably have to ask for, or get a sensor (can't remember the
techie name for it).(2/00) |
| Before the MOT I had a quick check of the car, the exhaust
manifold heatshield is cracked - is it ok to remove that one? (something
rattles at certain revs, I assume thats it) (2/00) |
| My exhaust manifold heatshield is also cracked...rattles at 3600
rpm...really annoying.. can you let me know if you get any info
on it...I'd like to remove mine, if it doesnt heat the engine bay
up to much. (2/00) |
| The heatshield has to be removed as part of the 1.8 Supercharger
kit anyway. (2/00) |
| Are we not talking about 2 different heat shields here??? (2/00) |
| Could be, I think in retrospect the supercharger one is the one
near the cat. (2/00) |
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I'm amazed at the suggestion that something that Mazda obviously
considered necessary for the car - effectively an inherent safety
feature - could be removed without considering the potentially
serious consequences (note I've also read all the responses to
date (24/2/00 21.00)). After all, Mazda aren't going to be throwing
money away fitting something deep within the engine for cosmetic
reasons, are they?
If the heatshield is removed and a fire results, I would hope
that the garage repairing the car would report to the insurance
company that the heatshield had been removed, and that the insurance
company would refuse to pay out as a consequence. Why should I
have to suffer increased insurance premiums because of reckless
behaviour by others in disregarding safety issues?
This certainly seems an inherent fault with the MX-5. At my car's
36,000 mile service before I bought the car, the garage reported
"rattle from exhaust front pipe: requires new front pipe because
heat shield has broken off". Then at the 42,000 mile service it
reported "Heat Shield around Front Exhaust pipe broken". Again
at the 60,000 mile service the report was "Down Pipe Heat Shield
Weld Broken". At the 66,000 mile service the garage notes "Rectified
Rattle from Exhaust Down Pipe Heatshield that was loose" - why
it wasn't put right earlier is a mystery, unless of course it's
been recurring, but at least the garage reported it each time.
It's been fine since I bought the car. (2/00)
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| The heat shield is cosmetic to clean up the engine bay .. stops
you seeing the rusty exhaust manifold .. and also for countries
with 32C day time temps .. not the UK! (2/00) |
| I've removed my CAT heat sheild already, Im thinking about the
manifold heat sheild. (2/00) |
| Isnt this cured by a jubilee clip being secured around the offending
heat shield - I had this and Oxford Mazda did this mod but there
is still something that rattles sometime at 3.5k revs. (2/00) |
| Its probably the heat sheild thats still rattling or the jubilee
clip now rattling ont he heat shield!! ;o) Mine resonates at exactly
3600 rpm.. quite useful sometimes as I know how fast Im going without
looking...but overall really annoying!! Would the list suggest removing
the entire heat sheild..what about the metal around the manifold
leading to the zorst and not just the shield? (2/00) |
| So my initial thought was right, and this is the heat shield I
have removed. (2/00) |
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