Got the car MOT'ed this morning and it failed on only one count the emissions. Apparently the car is running rich in the extreme - the CO2 output was just over 8%!!!! The garage are taking it back in and they are going to start by replacing the 02 sensor - is the likely cause?? and if not the CAT. The car is a 1990 with 95k on the clock so it is no spring chicken but at the same time it should pass the emission even without the CAT - anyone any ideas? Thanks! (3/00)
Try the engine temp sensor (3/00)
Spooky. My car failed today too. 91 Roadster 60k miles and Jackson CAI and 14degrees timing. My CO2 was 7.99. Any ideas people ? (3/00)

Are plugs, ignition wires, airfilter, O2 sensor and ignition timing ok? If so, the problem might be related to the relocated airflow meter on the CAI. The orientation of the flapper door is changed, and thus gravity might help to simulate a greater airflow than the real airflow.

To correct this, either more unmetered air has to be allowed past the AFM - this can be done by adjusting the bypass screw on the AFM, or the spring tension on the AFM needs adjustment - a rather tricky procedure which involves taking the sealed cover off the spring mechanism. In my case at the last "MOT", more bypass air was the key to proper readings.

IIRC, too high CO2 readings can also be due to carbon build-up. I heard this can be cured by slowly feeding water or water mixed with brake fluid into the intake tract (running engine). Never tried it myself, though. I have also no idea what this treatment might do to the catalytic converter. (3/00)

O2 sensor is a possible, but if the ECU sees really bad signals it uses a default map. Is the car generating any fault codes? It could also be engine temp. sensor, air flow meter temp. sensor, etc. Running a sensor check before starting to replace them make far more sense. You can do it yourself with a meter and a bit of wire, but you need the RGEM and also the ECU diagnostic book from Donutz to make it a bit easier. (3/00)

Jjust MHO but I don't think this garage understand emissions technology.

The O2 sensor doesn't have that much effect on overall CO (CO - not CO2 - CO2 is what you want - even if "2 jags" doesn't) - it adjusts things second by second. But even with a completely non-operative O2 sensor, CO emissions won't exceed about 2.5% worst case (and more likely 1.5%) - so long as the rest of the engine tuning is OK.

A cat is NEVER required to get a pre 92 MX5 through the appropriate emissions test - the limits are 3.5% CO and 1000ppm hydrocarbons. And if your cat is shot, replacing it won't have much effect - they're not magic - can only reduce CO by a small amount, like 1.5% to zero. And if the tuning problem has caused your cat to fail, the new one will go the same way PDQ.

You have to cure your basic tuning problem (basically overfuelling) - it may be a temperature (input air or water) sensor, plugs, plug leads (if they haven't been replaced recently that's what I'd suspect) or something more obtuse.

Good luck - you need a tuner who understands his equipment! BTW - the O2 sensor and the cat are about the two most expensive items in the system (except the ECU - heaven forbid) - and neither are needed for your emissions test. (3/00)

BTW - the O2 sensor and the cat are about the two most expensive items in the system.

Only true if you pay Mazda prices. I have bought both single and 4 wire O2 sensors locally for £30 and £45 respectively. They were both Lucas brand and fit and work like a charm. I understand the Mazda price for a single wire sensor is £120 or the like. (3/00)

Following on from my emissions failure yesterday, everyone seems to agree that it is very unlikley to be the 02 sensor that is causing my problem. There does seems to be some growing evidence that it may well be the air flow meter. The AFM on the CAI is turned on its side and this maybe giving false readings. Anyone else had this type of problem with the JR CAI - might send a e-mail to jackson racing and see if they can shed some light on the issue. Possible? (3/00)
Car is fixed. Apparently the air flow meter was broken. How will I know that the garage haven't fleeced me instead of fixing it ? I don't . Am I past caring ? Yes. Cost ? 125 + 2 hours labour = 195 quid!!! (3/00)

You can get your Mazda garage to check the AFM resistance to see if they match the open/close resistance. Don't know if they have accurate resistance figures listed but this would be the easiest elimination of a possible cause to overfueling...But then again we are talking about greedy garages. I have a slight suspicion that they already know that the AFM could be the major the cause but have decided to get more money by "playing" around with stuff that takes maximum effort with minimal effects ;-)

And if the problem is the AFM positioning.....

The message above about adjusting the bypass screw is correct but please don't try removing the siliconed panel and adjusting the internals. No-one touches the internals except....
(a)AFM manufacturer (Loads of money and either speaks Japanese or German only)
(b) Auto electrician who specialises in AFMs and has worked on the MX5 AFM before. (Loadsa money and speaks so much technical jargon that he might as well be speaking Japanese or German)

The panel is siliconed for a reason ;-) If you try to adjust yourself or let a mechanic with no experience dealing with AFM meters have a go, you may damage the AFM and a replacement one from Mazda would be well over 350 GBP!!! I sell mine for 100GBP but this isn't the point. Why replace something that might not need replacing. Your options are....

(1) Adjust bypass screw ( remember to mark position before you start adjusting just in case) If this isn't enough to do the job go to option 2
(2) Turn the AFM angle to as close to OEM position and see if it alters the emissions and if it does work a bit, use option (1) to try and get emissions lower. Pulling hair out time if this doesn't work so go to option 3
(3) Remove the CAI temporarily and position the AFM back to OEM position. If you're lucky, you might get away with it and the AFM will perform as OEM. If you're not lucky and the emissions are still slightly out, use option (1) to get emissions lower.

Another thing, you'll be wasting your money on another AFM if you're keeping the CAI, the same symptoms may appear again later on. Either get rid of the CAI or find a way of adjusting the AFM positioning to OEM state with CAI or you can play with the AFM-ECU signal.

No-one modifies the internals of a good working AFM to alter signals, there's too much of a chance of damaging delicate and sensitive mechanical parts. You can play around with the Airflow via external gadgets such as electronic Airflow controllers which takes the signals from the AFM and adjusts them to fool the ECU into either richening or leaning the fuel mixture. Quite a good mod even if you don't have fuelling probs as you can adjust the Airflow settings at certain rev ranges (need a rolling road to get best results). If the AFM positioning is causing the ECU to overfuel and you want to keep the CAI, buying the Airflow controller may be the way to go BUT.... it all depends how much your current AFM signals are out by. Although it gives a broader adjustment than the bypass screw, like all things in life, the Airflow controller still has it's limits. Then again....you could always add a electronic fuel controller to lean out even further. Starting to get a bit complicated for 3:30 am in the morning ;-) (3/00)

To do this is of course a bit difficult, because not everybody has access to a source of a 5V reference signal.

.. is this not what the ECU provides .. never played with the AFM but the throttle, cam pickups etc are all supplied from a 5V (or close) reference signal. (3/00)

You can get your Mazda garage to check the AFM resistance to see if they match the open/close resistance. Don't know if they have accurate resistance figures listed but this would be the easiest elimination of a possible cause to overfueling.

A small addition: The resistance values will not say much about the proper function of the AFM. They are all over the place if you move the flapper door from closed to fully open, generating a sawtooth like pattern over the range of movement. A better test is to check this: (From Randy Stockers extremely recommendable web-site:

The 1.6 OEM flapper door flow meter potentiometer measures 3.5 volts at idle and graduates linearly to 0 volts at WOT with a 5 volt reference signal.

To do this is of course a bit difficult, because not everybody has access to a source of a 5V reference signal.

I do agree with the warnings about opening the AFM. I would not recommend doing it without having a spare handy. Yet I know of several people who have successfully adjusted the spring tension when they swapped the 1.6 AFM for an early RX-7 unit (check Randys page for why and how). http://members.aol.com/solomiata/ I will try that myself when I try to combine an early RX-7 AFM with the JR CAI this spring. (3/00)

1994 1.8 Roadster. Failed on the basic idle test with a CO of .80 when the max is .50. Everything fine on fast idle with mid- way reading for CO and lambda. Car has had new plugs, air & oil filters and oil change. Any suggestions gratefully received! (11/00)
Idle speed ?? (11/00)
Sorry missed the word Roadster first time round. Why are they checking it for emissions ?? (11/00)
Probably plug leads. But I would appeal on the basis that your car has been tested as an MX5 when it's not. There is no entry in the MoT computer for a Eunos Roadster. So it gets tested (or should do) against different standards - and the CO limit is 3.5%. (and HC 1200ppm) (11/00)

Not knowing _anything_ about this subject and so having an exceptionally wild stab in the dark..

Perhaps it has had it's cat taken out (what year was it again?) and as it is being tested as a 5 (and not as a Roadster) then it is subsequently failing...?

(Once had a 92 1.1 Metro that I had stuck a 16v badge on the back, and as it had the badge the numbskulls that MOT's it thought it was failing everything as they were testing it as a 1.4 16v (you can't get a 1.1 16v Metro to start with) I had to tell them what it was - worrying!) (11/00)

Try a different MOT station? (11/00)
Being a 94 the car needs a cat. Although it has got a trick 4 branch manifold (Jasma), the lambda sensor is in place and the rest of the exhaust system looks standard. I did notice that the water temp runs a little under half way on the gauge. I will try replacing the thermostat and see if this makes a difference. It could be that that management system is noting the engine is cold and richening the mixture. Will also get the lambda sensor tested. The car is going for an SVA test so will contact the ministry to see what limits they use. (11/00)
Sorry - I must have missed something. Why is a 94 going for a SVA? IMHO only cars <3 years need SVA (until early next year). (11/00)
Why are you getting a 94 car SVA'd?? Surely it just adds cost to the purchase and gives you no benefit as the owner. JASMA is the Japanese Automobile Sports Muffler Association and the Jasma sign on the manifold is similar to our Kite mark or Type approval. Jasma is not the manufacturer. I'd be suspicious of the plug leads even if the car appears to be running correctly. Try borrowing a set and seeing if it passes then. (11/00)
If the car is under 10 years old and is not a personal import, it has to be SVA tested. However, there is only a small quota of cars allowed to go through this route, and I'm sure that the Eunos Roadster quota was all used up ages ago. (11/00)
Ah - but a to qualify as a personal import it would seem that you just have to take a day trip to France. (11/00)
You can voluntarily submit any car for SVA. Then your non e-marked lights, seatbelts, glass etc become legal. If you don't have an SVA certificate, they're not. But I don't understand why anyone would bother? (11/00)
Indeed. But you were saying that only cars < 3 years old need to be SVA tested. If a car under 10 years old is commercially imported (ie. not a personal import), it cannot be registered without an SVA test. With an SVA certificate (and an MOT), the car can then be registered to anyone. In some cases it is more cost effective for an importer to pay for the SVA test, rather than pay for a trip to France (and the time involved). (11/00)
Yeah, it would be worth trying a different MOT station. This time last year I had a 1994 1.8 Hyundai Lantra (don't laugh, it beat the XR3i and Nova boys easy on performace). I took it for its MOT and it too failed like yours and I was told I needed to replace the CAT. For one of those cars I was quoted about £700. Yikes indeed!! I got a second opinion from an 'old fashioned' mechanic who took one look at the Emmisions read out and pointed out that the CAT wasn't warm enough. Apparantly when they get about 5 years old the CATs can need to get REALLY hot before they work properly. A good blast down a dual carrageway and then a check passed the car fine!!!! The original garage had left my car out on the forecourt all afternoon then pulled it into the garage with the engine just warm and the CAT fairly cold. (11/00)
I imported the car myself and hence why it needs SVA. The quotas were abolished and so SVA is the easier route. I intend to replace the thermostat and see what difference that makes. The garage guys are actually friends and help when they can. Thank you for all the help and advice! (11/00)
The temperature gauge is very inaccurate .. it sits somewhere around 11.30 to 12.30 all day whatever the temperature .. more likely is a slightly not so clever cat ... get it hot maybe.. not sure.. but the thermostat is really unlikely.. ... the real trick is to ask them where the car is listed in their MOTs emissions computer .. it is not an Mazda MX5 .. so they SHOULD keep scanning until the last line which is 'Unlisted cars' which is wide open and you pasted .. this is what I was told by DVLC but it does have a slight pit fall .. if they look at the engine number first it has the BP8A code on it .. this is in their computer so you fail .. it is all down to interpretations... .. you can talk MOTs .. but SVA may not take this view - I would ask questions. (11/00)
Following the failure I replaced the thermostat. I also spoke to one of the mechanics at the local Mazda dealers. He said that they had had a couple of cars failing and put it down to being driven around town too much. He also said that the cars tend to run a little below mid way on the temp gauge. I got the engine nice and warm and took it for blast along the local bypass and then straight back to the test station. Result - passed well within limits! (11/00)