A prob with one electric window. If I remember correctly there is a pretty standard problem with these that can be rectified by bike brake cable. Anyone care to enlighten me? (11/99)
Get a windscreen company to check out the window. Mine stopped halfway up and I thought I'd need a new motor - expensive. Turned out to be a loose connection, ended up costing me a bottle of wine for the chappie that sorted it out. (11/99)
The electric windows seems to open very slowly, especially when it gets toward the bottom, is it normal???? (12/99)
The slow electric windows is probably stretched cables - mine is the same. You can change the cables quite cheaply as the manual window kit fits but I haven't got round to it yet. Don't pay for an electric kit 'cos it's much dearer. It's documented somewhere on the web but I can't remember where. (12/99)
They do slow towards the bottom as the friction with the runners increases. I sprayed some of the silicone lubricant that comes in small aerosols on my runners and the windows are now much faster. Strangely it made little difference at the time, despite running the windows up and down many times (don't toast the motors!), but over the next few days everything seemed to loosen up. I did one first and it could go down and up again before the other was down. Now both work well. (12/99)
My 92 Roadster also suffered from Slow windows! All I did is smear some white Grease on the inside runner of the door / window.. All is well now! (You could also try some WD40) Just power it up and down a few times and you should see a big improvement. (12/99)
So I just fixed my drivers side electric window after cable snappage. I bought the manual regulator kit from mazda (20 odd notes) & proceeded to migrate as much new stuff as possible onto my old motor. It all went reasonably enough though it's not something you could do too often as you have to bend tabs. Anyway the point is the top manual cable is SHORTER than the top electric cable so my motor is now held in by only 2 nuts. (1/00)
I just thought I would share this info. I hope it's correct. I mentioned earlier in the week about servicing my electric windows at the weekend. I was going to use some silicon based lubricant, but I have been told that this conducts electricity, so, if it gets onto any contacts then it could cause some problems. So, a non conductive grease needs to be used. I haven't taken a look behind the door panels so I don't know the level of risk involved in using Silicon. (2/00)
If its clear or white it shouldn't conduct. If its grey or black it may have a conductive additive. (2/00)
Silicon is an element. It's a semiconductor (when doped) Silicone is a compound of silicon and LOTS of oxygen. It's an insulator. (2/00)
Really. When I brought the Moss electric window kit, the cables were coated with what loked like silicone grease. No problems in 2.5 years. (2/00)
Silicon grease does not normally conduct ... yes you may use it on contacts but it does not conduct in a large scale way .. whenever I have rebuilt electric bits I use it ..and at work we use it for electrics exclusively .. and if they think Silicon conducts they had better go back and learn how to build 'chips' as in ICs... they are based on non-conducting silicon which is treated in places to make it conduct.. (2/00)
My electric windows seem to be getting slower and slower particularly near the bottom, any one got any suggestions for speeding them up, is it likely to be electrical contacts in the console or the motors or simply that the winders are clogged with old grease and dirt? How do I go about getting inside the doors and cleaning it up? (4/00)

The factory grease around the cables gets hard and waxy. Use the windows much longer and you'll snap the cables and strip the plastic capstans around which they wind, so I would stop using the windows now until you can get them seen to. If this happens (window just stops, but the motor still goes)), get hold of the manual winder kit from Mazda (£25 per side. They'll claim it won't fit, but it will). Ka Yu also do a repair kit which is expensive at £40 per side, and which seems to be the same thing (though custom made cables seem to be better made than factory cables.

The cables used to lower/raise the glass are wrapped around a plastic capstan, on a moulded thread. The cable usually snaps inside this housing. The driver naturally hits the window button a few times (instinctually), and the plastic threads are flayed by the broken cable. Everyone I know who has had this has been lucky, and able to rescore a new thread using a craft knife; others might not be so lucky. This bit is not order-able from Mazda.

In the short term, some spray nylon lubricant (like Holts) on the window rubbers will alleviate things a bit and take the strain off the cables until you can get to work on them.

On my 92, the door trim is held on by 3 screws on the armrest, and screw securing the door latch pull trim and various trim pop-offs.
Take off the seaker cover.
The backing material on the main trim panel is just hard board; rather than just madly yank the trim off, work your way around the pop-offs, and then lifting the trim away.
The plastic weather shield must be retained, or be prepared to fit a replacement of some sort (stops the door trim from getting soggy).
Some might be clever enough to cut a slit in it and work through that. I wasn't, and ripped the entire sheeting off, thus coming face to face with the sticky black stuff from hell (you'll know when you see it; those of you with long hair; wear a shower cap).
Its fairly obvious how the window lift mechanism disconnects from the glass, though is helpful to know by having the window in the halfway position allows certain bolts/screws to line up nicely with access holes in the door panel.
The glass can be left in; if chocked, it will stay in the up position ok, but for safety's sake, I removed it by lifting it out (you need to remove the top bump stops from the door, plus loosening the bolt that secures the base of the quarter light helps a bit in wiggling it out/back in.
The entire motor and central runner mechanism (the other 2 stay in; you can lubricate these if you want) can now come out.
A certain amount of manouvring the mechanism inside the door carcass is needed to remove/install, and usually involves grazed knuckles.
There is a cover secured by 2 screws that covers the capstan (but the cables feed into. Its fairly safe to remove this; nothing under tension is going to fly out at you. If you are careful, you can remove the capstan and inspect the cables wrapped around. I guess if the cable looks in anyway damaged, replace it. You might be lucky in just repacking the housing with grease (silicone grease, but lithium grease seems to work ok as well), and cleaning down/greasing the cables (parts of them might appear quite rusted).

If you do replace the cables with the manual versions, you'll need to adjust the tension on the cables again (the plastic threaded bits on the capstan housing). The windows should raise and lower quite fast; I've seen plenty of '5s/Roadsters with slow windows, and also a Roadster with correctly reinstalled cables with very quick windows.

Also, if you are having problems with one window, its likely the other will be needing attention within a year, so check that out. In my case, the cables bust before the manual winder cable fix became apparent, and I just forked out for the Moss power window kit (£200 Moss, versus £170 per side from Mazda), which hooks up nicely to the factory wiring (retaining the Japanese one-touch drivers side facility). It was expensive, but a lot cheaper than replacing both units with Mazda parts.

After 3 years, the windows still zip up and down (the Moss kit uses Bosch motors, which should last well). However, the original capstan on mine was so chewed up, the manual kit may have ben useless. On reinstalling the glass, check the bump stops are correctly adjusted. The glass should stop just in line with the top of the quarter light.

There is a thin strip of rubber at the top of the quarterlight which is easily torn if the glass is raised to high (without bumpstops, the glass will continue rising). I still find it incredible that Mazda don't supply replacement cables, considering the frequency they break at, and that the cables themselves are very simple. (4/00)

I had to fix my driver side winder - bought the manual kit & cobbled together the complete system from as many new bits as possible. I found that the manual winder top cable was a bit shorter than the broken electrical one so that the motor no longer fitted its original bolt holes. So my motor is now held on with 2 bolts instead of 3. Anyone else noticed this? Or have I made an ars* of it... (4/00)
The cable that operates the right hand electric window on my car has snapped leaving it permanently down. The motor still sounds like it's working. Does anyone know of a cheap (cheaper than Mazda) source of a cable? Are they easy to fix yourself? Any help appreciated. (5/00)
I have just ordered the manual cable kit which is the only one I know about 30gbp for both cables. (5/00)
After much tearing out of hair, I've finally found the part number for the elusive manual winding kit, which doesn't even exist according to several Mazda dealers! To save you all time and effort in the future, here it is: NA0159560J (5/00)

The part number I gave out the other day is specifically for the LEFT side window, although that only matters if you're replacing the runners. Otherwise, just take the cables off and use them. NA0159560J

We discovered a few faults with the enthusiasts' manual's instructions, but got the whole job done in much less time than we'd thought. (5/00)

We got a manual regulator and took the cables off this (30 compared with over 100 for the motorised version) as the motor was OK. There were a few tricky moments but it wasn't too bad. The enthusiasts manual suggests a couple of unecessary things during stripdown and omits one or two things it would have been useful to know. For example, the manual cables seem ever so slightly shorter than the electric ones, this means the motor has to be mounted a bit closer to the regulator using an a different hole in the door. It's now held in place by 2 bolts instead of the original 3 but is secure enough. Relubricated the runners on the other door at the same time and that now opens and shuts a bit quicker. (5/00)

I just rang my local Mazda parts dept and was quoted 31 ish each side for manual window regulators and 44+58 for the electric (presumably drivers side breaks more often so it's worth an extra 14 for Mazda).

Question is for those that have done it, how easy a job is it to remove the cables from the manual regulator, fit them to the original electric regulator and then make any adjustments to get it all to work. Is it nice and easy? Or is it going to take me all afternoon? I'm trying to weigh up the price difference to how long it's going to take seeings I have to do both sides! Come to think of it, if I have a new electric regulator, how long is it going to take to swap over. It looks a bit fiddly. Is it documented in a workshop manual? The guy at Mazda said it was a 2 man job - one to undo it, the other to catch all the springs that fly out.

Incidently, the drivers side motor sounds like it is on the way out (probably as the previous owner did nothing about the stiff windows) - does anyone know anywhere that sells them nice and cheap?? (6/00)

What parts are they quoting for the electric window assembly. Sounds considerably cheaper than what most of us were quoted (ie. buy entire assembly only for £170 per side.....).

The manual install is fairly easy; you need to readjust the cables, so the window raises smoothly. Its a slightly different design from the original (seems better made). A possible complication is the state of the capstan around which the cables are wrapped; if the cable has broken inside the housing by the motor, the flayed ends mights have stripped the soft moulded plastic thread. Most people I know were lucky enough to salvage this part by rescoring the plastic with a stanley knife. This part is not available from Mazda as far as I know, but then they might go and make us look like fools anyhow.. I would remove this part before geting the cables, and decide whether you can fix it or not. (6/00)

The parts I was quoted for where N/S and O/S electric window regulator (not including the motor) - which looked like the cables + the 1 steel runner it goes up and down in. Not sure what else was in the bag - I only got a quick glance at it. I now know I need a new motor as well, I've seen them on a web site (recommended on this list - but can't remember which one) for 60. Is that about the best price any one knows of?? (6/00)

FYI everyone with dodgy windows....

I just had a long chat with a friendly parts man at Mazda.

Apparently, most likely due to customer demand, the electric window components have been split up. You can either buy the complete mechanism for approx 162 per side or individual components. It's not all good news, you can't just buy cables but you can get regulators and motors separately - here's the details:

Side Component Part Number Price
N/S Electric Motor NA025958X 101.52 (inc)
O/S Electric Motor NA025858X 101.52 (inc)
N/S Regulator (inc cables) NA0259590 44.03 (inc)
O/S Regulator (inc cables) NA0258590 44.03 (inc)

So, as the manual regulators are approx 31 - I think it's probably not worth the effort of removing the originals, stripping out the cables and replacing with new cables stripped out of a new manual regulator. You can if you want, but my thoughts are for the extra ten quid or so, you could be zooming around in the sunshine with the roof down for a couple of hours more!! (6/00)

Well, thats about time they did that. Are the plastic capstans included?? (6/00)
I am just about to convert my 1996 MX5 Monza to electric windows. I've found a six pin socket under the central console which looks like the one shown on page 10.12 of the 'Enthusist's Workshop Manual' that connects to the switches. (I will check this for continuity to the 30 amp electric window fuse tomorrow morning to confirm this) Unfortunately I can't find wires, apart from those to the speakers, in the doors. Surely if there is part of the loom under the console the tails for the doors must be somewhere ? Does anyone know where to find them ? If anyone does pleeeeeeze let me know - it will save me wastng my time dismantling the dash and side panels if they do not exist. If my loom doesn't have wires for the windows what's the socket under the console for ? (1/01)

If you have them then they are pretty obvious. Just find where the speaker wires emerge into the door and the central locking, electric mirror and window wires come out in the same place.

If you just remove the armrest and then centre console, you should be able to trace the window wires. Behind/under the centre console mine have a plug into a socket affair that allows the window lift box to be connected so the alarm shuts the windows.

If you don't have the wires into the doors use this trick.

Pull the speaker wires as far through the rubber tube as they will go. Tape the new wires or a bit of string to the speaker wire where it's loose and then use the speaker wire back through the other way. There's enough slack to use the existing wire to get a new one through the tube. Trying to thread a wire through the tube is doomed. And it you remove the tube getting it back on is a sod of a job. Trust me on this! (1/01)

My electric passenger side electric window is being a pain in the arse. Some times it works, some times it doesn't. When it doesn't work, there's silence, which seems to me its electrical or the motor. Its now that bad that its hardly works at all. Before I take it to Mazda and they charge me an arm and a leg I though I'd ask you guys to see if there's anything I should be checking. (2/01)
Probably the switch contacts need cleaning up.Need to dismantle switch to do this.Just unclips and easy to do.Did mine approx 4 months since and has been OK since,reputedly regular fault. (2/01)
You don't mention if your window is refusing to go up / down or both. It's unlikely (but possible) that both sets of contacts in your swith would go at the same time. I would be tempted to take off the door panel and have a bulb with two piece of wire attached handy and when the thing breaks down again test to see if current is getting to the motor. With the switch is the centre position there should be no current to the motor. With the switch in the up position one wire will be +ve and the other -ve. With the switch in the down position the polarity of these wires is reversed. The bulb should thus light in both up/down positions. You can also check the polarity reversal by connecting one side of the bulb to earth. There is no actual limit switch on the window - the system relies on the operator releasing the switch in the car when the window is fully up or down. There are springs in the ends of the outer cable to cushion this. As a protection though some electric windows have current sensitive breakers in their circuits which will trip as the motor stalls when the window is fully up or down - it's just possible one of these is faulty My bet though is that the brushes are worn in your motor. I would be surprised if you can buy them from the local Mazda dealer but an auto electrician would be able to file some up for you. If you find it's the switch try some Switch Cleaner - I have had an aeerosol made by Radio Spares for ages and it's fantastic for cleaning electrical contacts -just squirt some into the switch and switch it on / off a couple of times. (2/01)
Fitting new cables

You could posibly get away with soft soldering the nipples on but I have tried this before on the throttle cable on my Lotus and the end pulled off. I'm probably speaking to an expert (certainly hope so after reading what the other chaos subscribers seem to be interested in) so I'm sure you know that the nipples have a countersink and you splay the cable out before soldering. Soft soldering may be better because it won't draw the temper in the bowden cable.

Can't overstress the importance of getting the inner and outer cables to exactly the correct length - especially if you have electric windows - get them too slack and they will chew up the grooves in the drive capstan. You will find the outers are spring loaded - this isn't to take up the slack it's to provide a cushion when the window is fully up or fully down. This is especially important with electric systems which don't have limit switches - they rely on the driver / passenger taking their finger off the switch at more or less the right time. That's probably why the windows have a 30A fuse. Try the window with the door panel off and you will see the springs compress at the fully open and fully closed positions. I built mine up with equal lengths of cable on the clockwise and anti clockwise sides of the capstan with the window slider in the mid position and both springs unsder slight tension. I then marked the position of the nipples that fit to the slider with masking tapeand after partially dismantled soldered the nipples on. After trying to see how it worked I had to unsolder the ends and move them down about 1/4 inch.

It would be great to see them work with soft solder - may owners would have the equipment to do this (gas hob in the kitchen when no ones around!) I know the cables do snap and chaos subscribers have asked for suggestions on how to repair them - I believe they are quite expensive - mine literally cost pence. If you do try with soft solder take some very accurate measurement. (4/01)

I am feeling that I should bring my P-Reg Mark 1 MX-5 1.8i up to the 21st Century by fitting Electric Windows. Any recommendations on which kit, for reliability and ease of fitting, and on that note, any tips on fitting. I've looked all over the internet without much luck in finding someone's 'garage notes' (5/01)
Moss (UK) do a great kit, just less than 200 GBP. Takes about two-hours to fit (well, I had trouble getting the wiring through the door trunking) and works *great*. Four years later, and still no problems. (5/01)
I fitted the Moss offering a couple of years back, all is still functioning quite happily :) I am looking at replacing the window switches with OEM ones though, must speak to powerdrift... Took a little while to fit but all in all quite simple really. (5/01)
Jap 1-touch switches from post91 cars plug in perfectly, and still give you a 1 touch drivers door operation. (5/01)

I made up the 'kits' to convert my Monza to electric windows by replacing the manual winding mechanisms with Bosch motors from a Golf. All that's really required is to make up a set of new cables - but you need to be reasobable practical to do it. I used switches from a Granada - they are oval in shape and very 'MX5'

Check to see just what wiring you have installed in your car. In my 1997 car the window wiring terminated with a socket just by the gear leaver and I had to make up a short loom to take the wiring to the switch position. In my case I used a plug from a Mazda saloon, from the scrap yard, and connected it to the socket to fit the Granada switches. Also the wiring to the doors stopped under the dash near the door pillars - again with sockets. The scrap Mazda yielded suitable plugs once again. If yours is like mine pull the rubber conduit, which fits between the door and pillar, off the plastic collars at each end and you will find the speaker wires are taped to a small flap inside the conduit. Snip this away and you will be able to feed your wires through - but not with a plug attached - you will have to solder this on later. There are normally two wires going to each motor - the switch reverses the polarity for up and down.

I did very little dismantling. I removed the bolt from the window slider and simply lifted it out. I was then able to remove the mechanism through one of the holes in the inner door frame.

By far the worst job is cleaning the sealant which Mazda use to secure the polytene sheet behind the door panels off your arms. (5/01)

Do not get the kit that fits on top of the old winder mechanism ­ it's pants (5/01)
Fitted them about 2 years ago and they have worked without fault since. I fully recommend these units as they are definatley a quality item. The windows go up/down alot quicker than the OEM ones which is also a bonus. Instalation takes a couple of hours per side...It is all pretty simple just time consuming, I check and double check everything though. (6/01)
I fitted this 3 years ago to replace the factory unit (this was in the days before you could get the cable repair kits, and the Moss kit was cheaper than Mazdas quote for the parts of £200+). The switch used was a bit nasty, but you can substitute a factory switch. The motors are Bosch units, and looked good quality. Overall, its a good kit. It mounts in a different place in the door from the factory units, but no drilling is required. There are even cheaper generic electric window kits, but I don't know if these are any good (Demontweeks etc sell these). (6/01)
Mine works by pressing bottom to go down and top to go up,possibly the switches have been apart to clean the contacts and put back together incorrectly or possibly the Moss kit wired slightly differently.Should be possible to correct this without too much difficulty. (6/01)
Bosch motors from a scrap VW or Audi fit inside the doors without any problem. All you then have to do is make up new cables using heavy duty ones from a bicycle and fit these to the existing manual sliders. Best switches are from a Granada. Total cost 5 or 7.5 if you buy two of everthing as I did for spares. (6/01)