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Just picked up (finally!) my Eunos Roadster. It's 1990 April
car with 47k km's. Trader in Japan told me there was a problem
with the rear LSD when I bought it so was expecting trouble. We'll
it needs to be fixed... As far as I know you can have 3 scenarios
(as I do not know what is fitted to the car):
1) Standard Diff
2) Plate (clutch) type LSD
3) Helical (torque Biasing)
LSD Symptoms: When cornering under power you can feel the
diff jerking/clunking. Like a gear that's missing a tooth for
example. No accelerator, no problem. So, this makes me think that
it is an LSD of some description. How can I tell if it is a Plate
or Helical type LSD? (6/01)
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| I have a KAAZ type clutch diff purchased from the states recently,
that is so clunky and shuddery at low speeds you almost feel convinced
that something is wrong ! but at higher speeds it seems to sort
it's self out just the way it is built, could be you have something
similar ! (6/01) |
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Hmm...it's most likely to have had a viscous diff as standard.
But the symptoms are of a sick clutch type, which were not fitted
to Roadsters as standard, but were available on the aftermarket,
particularly in Japan. The other type fitted to MX-5's as standard
is a Torsen, but only to later cars.
Be careful - there are drive shaft implications - esp the Torsen
used different drive shafts, but the Viscous and Open diffs used
the same ones. If a clutch type replacement was fitted, it may
or may not have the original drive shafts.
Plenty of diffs about - try Ka Yu. Doesn't really matter if you
get an open or viscous - the viscous ones lose most of their limited
slip capability over time. But be prepared to have to change the
drive shafts too. You can't tell the difference between open and
viscous by looking. It is possible that it's a clutch type with
the wrong lubricant - might be worth consulting a local expert,
if you can find one. But if it is sick (eg broken teeth), it's
not likely to be economically repairable. (6/01)
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| Might be worth putting on the Torsen diff bearing in mind your
going to turbo your 5? The torsen from the 1.8 is a lot stronger
than the early diffs. (6/01) |
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You'll probably have replies to this already but just in case:
1. Sounds like a Clutch type going off or maybe it's just in
need of "juice" - likely to be Japanese aftermarket one on a '90.
I understand there were some very useful makes installed - Japanese
don't seem to stint on diffs, clutches etc.Top gear preferred
- Mazdaspeed even Quaife diffs have appeared on imports!
2. On the assumption it could be a "top notch" jobbie it might
even be a serious racing model like a Katz. Jim Rotter has one
of these which sounds as though the back end is about to fall
off but that's just the clutch mech. doing it's job - very well.
Apparently they are "Drag" clutches so you can drop 'em at 6K
and the clutch just smiles and politely says "thankyou" ....your
wheels fall off and the clutch bursts into flame but the diff's
OK ;)
3.Doubtful this is std. "open" diff as they quickly go "bang"
(spectacularly) once they start making a noise - no mistaking
a diff about the go - believe me.
4. If it's a clutch type that's really had it you can:
A. Replace it with same thing
B. Replace with standard "open" diff from another 1.6
C. Upgrade to 1.8 size "open" diff altho' you will have to get
1.8 propshaft and drive shafts i.e. whole 1.8 rear end.
D. As C. but source a Torsen - much, much more difficult to find.
Most scrappies don't know about them and if they do (usually when
you have to describe exactly what you want) then they up the ante
big time. ** If you want to got his route I'd not muck about (unless
man of leisure) and get on blower to Powerdrift or Kay Yu Autos.
They most definitely know what a Torsen looks like and what they
are worth BUT they are both good and won't waste your time sending
you std. spec. 1.8 units like most of the cretins in the business
- I've been there. Finding one could also take a long time.
So unless ready and waiting I'd get a std.1.8 open diff and wait
for a torsen which you can bolt into the 1.8 diff carrier when
it comes available.Std. 1.6 diffs are weaker and do eventually
go. If you are turbo'd or drive really hard then a 1.8 conversion
makes sense short and long term.
Oh yes - only way to tell a Torsen diff is by talking off the
drive shafts and looking thru' the hole - if there is a bar about
2 cm diameter thru' the hole it's a std. open or clutch type diff.
If it's completely open then it's a Torsen. Yes, I know that contradicts
their descriptions but life is full of such inconsistencies. (6/01)
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| Make sure it's a 1.8 Eunos Diff, I think the uk 1.8's were open
diff's... from what I've been told... (6/01) |
| I don't know about repairing diffs or finding out which one you
have, but I do know you can replace one type with another - I replaced
my dead eunos LSD with a UK fixed type. When the diff went on my
92 v-spec I had it replaced with a UK diff from Jay at Powerdrift.
I can highly recommend him, and Dave who works with him is really
helpful too. Ka Yu autos also had diffs available but were a little
more expensive. I have heard that all the Eunoses have LSD's, but
I don't know if that is true. (6/01) |
| AFAIK all the 1.8 models have the Torsen LSD. (6/01) |
| Roadsters did, but not UK spec cars, until Mk 2. All Europe-spec
1.8 Mk 2's have Torsens. Europe-spec Mk 1 1.8's had open diffs as
standard. (6/01) |
| Isn't it just the 1.8iS that has the Torsen LSD on MK2 - that
was the big selling point of the increased cost of the iS. The 1.8i
just has normal diff as per the 1.6i doesn't it.... (6/01) |
| Sorry - yes, you're right, (6/01) |
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Okay, I have driven the car a little bit more (no tax or registration!)
today and gained some more exact experience. Under no throttle
the rear diff is a smooth as silk, under any acceleration not
carried out in a straight line it will jerk, feels like you are
taking the corner in small movements. I think the diff is locking
up??? Even manoeuvring parking the car can make big clunking noise,
even real slow... The more lock applied (i.e. more difference
in rotation between the rear wheels) the worse it becomes. Once
moving (20mph+) it is not noticeable, but coming out of junctions
full throttle is a scary prospect, as you don't know if the car
will get to the other side!
I think the diff is a Plate type, and hopefully a CUSCO one,
as you can get repair kits for these! (6/01)
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| This URL may be of help with your troubles... http://members.aol.com/solomiata//MiataVLSD.html
It also gives some links to other LSD pages (6/01) |
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