| Has anyone fitted central locking to a Mk2? I cannot figure
out how to get wires from the door of the car into the main body.
Any hints? (12/99) |
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It's easy once you know how. And this is assuming it's roughly
the same as the MK1!
There is already a speaker wire through the hole. You're going
to use the slack on this to do the job for you. Pull the wire
either as far into the door as it will go or as far into the car.
You choose. Tape the wire you want to thread to the wire where
you now have all the slack. Make sure the tape is "streamlined".
Now pull the slack to the other end while feeding by hand. Voila!
The wire taped to the speaker wire has travelled through the rubber
tube. Untape and pull through more wire.
If there isn't enough slack you pull the connector at the speaker
end but I managed to get wires for my power mirrors through using
this method even though there were already central locking wires
in the tube as well as speaker wires. If the design has changed
on the Mk2 such that this doesn't work then I apologise. (12/99)
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| There is a lot of unused wiring already there as loom is the same
as the s version on the mk2. (12/99) |
| I have been told that central locking can't be added to the
car....but I see in Moss's brochure a central locking kit. I'm confused....can
or can it not be done? and if so, who can do it??!! (12/99) |
| Fitting c/l to a MK1 is dead easy. The Moss kit as a good option
but I can't recall the cost. Maplins also sell a kit for 7.99 per
door - I used one of these to repair a shot motor in my driver's
door and it was identical to the one already there. (12/99) |
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For the past couple of weeks my central locking (Moss kit)
has been playing up. Unlocking the drivers side door does not
normally unlock the passenger door, but most of the time will
lock it again. Once I start the ignition the drivers side door
usually locks itself (matches the position of the passenger lock).
My guess is that the actuator arm for the drivers door lock
has become un attached or loose and therefore only works by luck.
Has anyone else had anything like this or could it be something
far worse ? I will have a look this weekend but am dreading the
black door gunge that seems to get on everything once disturbed
:( (12/99)
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Once I start the ignition the drivers side door usually locks
itself (matches the position of the passenger lock).
Sounds to me like the switch in your locking motor may be iffy.
This could be something you can adjust or you might need a new
motor. Perhaps Maplin's 8.99 5-wire motor will fit?
My guess is that the actuator arm for the drivers door lock
has become unattached or loose and therefore only works by luck.
Has anyone else had anything like this or could it be something
far worse ?
It could be a mechanical problem. It could be a suspect motor.
Worst case it's the control box, but for some reason I doubt this.
I will have a look this weekend but am dreading the black
door gunge that seems to get on everything once disturbed :(
You can actually do most things on the central locking motor
without disturbing the black gunk. You can reach through the speaker
hole for some stuff but most of the mechanicals are on the accessible
side of the plastic sheet. (12/99)
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| This has happened to me in exactly the same way. The grub screws
on the rod had worked loose, hopefully you can just tighten them
up. I have a neat slit in the plastic which I can then reseal, which
saves the trouble with the gunk. Whole job took about 20 mins inc.
testing (though I can get the door cover off in about 2 mins now!)
(12/99) |
| DON'T DO IT!! I've had the Moss kit on for around 12 months and
it's as temperamental as hell!! The worst thing I ever did was fiddle
with it, especially to the extent of undoing the actuator arm clamps
- took bloody hours before the doors would lock and unlock, let
alone work with the central locking. I have a theory, they are moisture
sensitive - mine are always more temperamental during rainy / damp
spells. If you intend to delve behind the door panel I found a good
spray on all connections and moving parts, with WD40 helps, but
it doesn't cure the problem. Nice to know someone else is suffering
*exactly* the same problem as me! (12/99) |
| I installed the kit in the early summer and if this keeps up I
shall be talking to Oxford Mazda about the pucka install. Anyway
I need to tinker so I will take a look, I installed it and got it
working properly once so I cant see why I cant get working again
if it is a problem with the grub screw. Either that or will revert
back to no central locking and buy the 5 a front lip spoiler :)
(12/99) |
| Have had trouble such as this with the central locking fitted
as part of the Mazda alarm package. My car is only a few weeks old!
Anyway, I came to the conclusion that I can cope with locking doors
manually even though I am probably one of the oldest MX5 drivers
on the list! Took the car back to the dealer today and told them
to remove the central locking so from now on I shall be a lot less
frustrated - or at least I hope so. I would agree that it may have
something to do with moisture - I had most problems when the car
had not been used for a day or two - the lock on the passenger door
would refuse to open but after driving for a while it seemed to
correct itself, ie after things had warmed up a bit. My advice to
anyone contemplating fitting central locking is don't bother, it's
not worth the hassle when things start playing up. Even the dealer
admitted that they get a lot of problems with it. (12/99) |
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The trouble is the actuator quality I suspect. I fitted the Maplin
ones last spring and in 5 months the driver's one died - motor
will turn but no action. This was with fitting the motor pointing
upwards (some one on list had the motor housing full of water);
I still had rust streaks so suspect rust has done no good.. I
was going to replace the Maplin duff one under warranty but the
return bag never turned up in the post ... so I bought one from
the Clifford alarm fitter; Swiss made rather than Taiwanese, looked
identical but he has no problems with reliability. Yet to find
time to pull broken one apart .. need to know!
So fit quality not cheap ones (Swiss was 19 GBP, Maplin 8 GBP).
Adjust them properly (i.e. fully move the motor arm out and attach
to rod in the fully extended position.. not sure how these things
work as the micro-switch at the end of travel effectively determines
the stroke but the Mazda mechanics also determine the stroke ..
at odds with each other...) Fit with the motor part sticking up
(I only had to drill one hole to fit mine like this) ..
so fault are cheap actuators, fitting the wrong way, fitting
out of stroke of the actuator .. and finally the fact that they
are fitted in the 'wet' part of the door .. most cars allow them
to be fitted inside the car on the other side of the plastic skin
according to the alarm mannie...
Quality pays .... and you get what you pay for sometimes! (12/99)
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You have probably fixed it by now, but my Moss locking kit died
soon after I fitted it (twice!). My guess is you have the same
problem I had (a duff switch in the actuator). Mine is fixed now,
but this is what I found out.
If the system is not working correctly then pull the fuse, until
you can get it sorted. This will stop it unlocking the doors while
you are away. :(
To investigate the problem, remove the fuse (if fitted) and the
wires from the relay. I don't have a connector map but the wires
from the relay box to the doors were as follows.
Black - earth
Blue - Lock motor - The relay puts 12V on to here (for about half
second) to lock both the doors
Red - Unlock motor - as above, but to unlock both doors
Brown - Unlock switch - This is earthed when a door is in the
unlocked position.
Purple - Lock switch - This is earthed when a door is in the locked
position.
There is also a 12 volt supply from the fuse. There is also a
two pole connector for the remote entry option. This is not connected
on mine. The relay only puts 12V to either the lock or unlock
motor when a switch is closed.
Using a resistance meter I checked the resistance to ground of
the lock and unlock switches. With both doors are unlocked, brown
wire should be open circuit, and the purple grounded. With both
doors unlocked the reverse is true.
You can also use a meter to check that the clamps are in the
correct place. If you unlock/lock one door and you can tell the
switch has moved them the clamp must be OK.
My problem was one switch was not going open circuit. If this
happens then there is no way to know which door has the problem,
because the switches are in parallel. So I chose to cut the wires
in the passenger door. The reasoning was if it was the passenger
door switch that was faulty I could live without it. Jackpot!
Problem solved. Then it died a week later, this time it was the
other switch in the same door. So now the system only unlocks
both door from the drivers side. :(
I believe you can get new actuators from Maplin for under a
tenner. By the way, you can avoid most of the trouble with the
back death if you cut the black death with a knife AND THEN DON'T
TOUCH IT. :) It is important not to damage the plastic sheet,
and to refit it correctly. (12/99)
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| My Finishline system used two wires (ISTR blue and purple) but
they were usually both Gnd with one or the other going to 12V to
lock/unlock. My motors have two wires and it's the forward/reverse
voltage that does lock/unlock. Just mentioned this so that people
can see there are different ways of doing this. (12/99) |
| Thats it, I've had enough of the locking.
I could not open the door to the 5 today as i think the motors have
iced up. Finally managed to force my way in using the key to hold
the lock open, started the car and got out to de-ice the windscreen.
Guess what, closed the door and yup it was locked. Stuck outside
the car with key in car and engine running - BO$$CKS. So as soon
as I am able to get into the car I am removing the Moss locking
kit as it has pissed me off once too many times. Thanks everyone
for the advice on fixing my problem but I am never going to give
the locking the chance to lock me out again !!! (12/99) |
|
Almost (but not quite, thankfully) the same thing happened to
me this morning. Driver's side central locking iced up, managed
to get in by holding the key in the open position but the lock
was stuck in the locked position. The only way I could get out
of the car (other than clambering over the passenger seat (and
at 6'2" that is a tall order with the hard top on) was to wind
down the window and stick an arm out to turn the key in the lock.
ISTR having this problem with my Mark 1 as well -- it's not a
Moss thing, since central locking was standard fit to both my
Mark 1 and Mark 2. I hope that I don't have the same problem tomorrow
morning -- anyone got any ideas about stopping it happening? (12/99)
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| I had managed to stop the engine after an hour of fiddling by
pulling at the key with a straightened coat hanger. I could not
force the lock to open and neither could the chap from Green Flag.
The only plus side was that the door had only half closed so although
locked there was some room to play with. After about half an hour
of playing about he tried closing the door fully and guess what,
the lock opened, Typical !!! I then spent 10 minutes removing the
fuse from the control box for the locking and disconnecting the
actuator arm from the motor to the door lock. Locks are now very
free moving :) and no problem with doors not opening/locking when
required. RIP locking, I've learnt my lesson ;) (12/99) |
| If this is right, then you have just found the problem with you
central locking. A new actuator should fix it. Why did it get water
in? Is it mounted upside down? (The motor should be pointing upwards)
It may not have been the central locking was not frozen up, it may
be you door locks? (12/99) |
| Don't worry, I have left the actuators in the door for the time
being ;) By the time I had removed the fuse and disconnected the
actuator from the lock mechanism I could not feel my hands !! Anyway
the nasty black stuff was more like concrete than anything else
although still managed to get some on my hands :( The door locks
are mounted with the motor pointing upwards, I did a couple of tests
while the doors were apart. Both actuators still lock/unlock by
moving the actuator rods but I notice that the rods seem to need
to move a larger distance than the lock mechanism will allow (weird,
but probably normal). I may well put it all back together once the
weather warms up again but can't afford to have this happen again
for a while. (12/99) |
| I did try this earlier but I thought that I might damage either
the rear screen panel (still covered in ice) or the hood side flap.
I got my hand in but did not want to force it any further, although
a mohair hood with glass rear screen is an attractive option I doubt
if I can afford it :) not after the Christmas shopping that I have
just done. I never realised how difficult it is to get into a soft
top without the keys unless you are willing to break a window, cut
rear window (good excuse for a matt Clark screen, although bloody
cold in the mean time) or, god help me, the roof. (12/99) |
| Just wondered if anyone out there has had any experiences of
fitting central locking to their 5? I've just taken the door trim
off etc and had a quick look. There's an off square cut out (parallelogram?)
below the door handle and I thought of fixing the motors there,
this would mean drilling some holes!! If anyone has any thoughts/experiences
they would be greatly appreciated. (1/00) |
|
I have disabled my central locking because it locked
me out a few weeks ago (engine running, spare keys 100 miles
away !) I dont think that anyone has had trouble free operation
of central locking, either factory or otherwise fitted - although
soon to be corrected I bet ;)
A couple of motors from RS some sort of controller (may also
be available from RS, mine from Moss) some stiff wire for the
actuator rods, collets and grub screws and away you go. Took me
a few hours to install but then I did the windows at the same
time (these are still working :) )
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| I have central locking linked to a piranaha alarm, fitted before
I got the car. Works all the time without any probs - touch wood!
(1/00) |
|
There's an off square cut out (parallelogram?) below the
door handle and I thought of fixing the motors there, this would
mean drilling some holes!!
When I bought a motor it came with a slotted mounting bracket.
Dunno if this needed holes drilling as it was just the motor I
needed to replace a dead one. (1/00)
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| Mine's worked fine since I built it a completely new control box!
(1/00) |
| So what was in the control box - have you got the schematics?
(1/00) |
|
An AVR1200 processor (<5), a 2003 to drive some relays, four
meaty relays (recycled from duff old central locking and window
lift box) and two thermal cutouts (from old window lift box).
Just add diodes, resistors, regulator and reset generator. Total
cost depends on the relays you use. Also note I recycled the cut-outs
and don't know where to buy these or what they cost. I guess the
whole thing is about 30 quid. I used a very nice stainless-steel
anit-vandal push button. This was about 12 quid, but I think worth
it.
The processor senses the alarm arm signal, a push button, the
cut-out state and voltage from the exiting window switches. It
gives me central locking with window lift, a dash mounted button
to do lock/unlock (good for when young child is in the passenger
seat), window lift override and one-touch window lift (hit the
window up once to lift that window, twice for both windows).
It also plays tunes and has "trick modes". :-)
Schematics as such are hand drawn in my journal. It's all dead
easy, though, and I'll happily share what I have, including source
code, completely free.
My current unit is a messy build on veroboard. I'm toying with
making a PCB, but you know what plans are like. :-)
To drive the motors you use two relays rigged so that each can
connect Gnd or 12V to the wire it drives. You have the quiescent
state drive Gnd to both wires. You then drive one relay for about
0.5s to fire the motor. The other relay drives it the other way.
For the windows you rig the relay to switch 12V to the "lift"
wire of the window but you switch the 12V with a cut-out before
the relay. When the window reaches the top the cut-out trips and
the lifting stops. You sense this with the processor and turn
off the relay. You can also sense the normal "lift" from the window
switch (normally passes through by the relay) and use this to
control your "one touch" window lifting. You obviously have a
time-out on the lifting as well as the cut-outs.
Or you buy a control box from Maplin and figure out how to connect
it to your alarm "arm" signal. (1/00)
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| Does the aftermarket kit allow the central locking to work
from the inside the car ie by locking the driver's door the passenger
locks as well? It would be a real pain to swop one set of problems
for another as every time I get in the car I would need to manually
lock the passenger's door. (2/00) |
| No, you will still have to manually lock the passenger door from
inside. (2/00) |
| The Moss kit allows you to lock the passenger door from the drivers
side. (2/00) |
| To do this you need a "5-wire" motor on the driver's door. I don't
know which kits have this. Maplin do a kit that has and it has one-wire
to interface to standard alarms, but my finishline alarm generated
a signal of the wrong sense (12V when it should have been Gnd).
My solution was to fit a button near the passenger side courtesy
lights that does both lock/unlock (one press) and window lift suppress
(two presses). (2/00) |
| Has anyone got any ideas about the Moss locking kit ? I had
installed this a couple of years ago but disabled both the actuators
and the control box before Christmas after I it locked me out of
my running car :( I have now re-enabled it and all worked very well
for 2 weeks. Now the door do not lock or unlock their opposite but
occasionally when I start the car the locking sits there and locks/unlocks
the doors repeatedly. Can anyone think of any quick fixes, or shall
I take the actuators out this afternoon and strip them down to see
if I can find the problem ? (6/00) |
| Turn it into a 3 wire system, the switches are dodgy and you can
disable then by cutting the brown and purple on each door. This
means that it will operate both doors from the bleeper, but not
from the door switch. (6/00) |
| My guess is your original problem was water in the actuators,
this froze in the motor durintg the winter locking you out. I would
also guess the current problems are also caused by water getting
in the actuators (this time into the switch part). Each actuator
has a switch and a motor I had problems where the doors wouldn't
lock or unlock sometimes. I traced the problem to the passenger
side swich. If it is a switch then you don't know witch side it
is. I guessed the passenger side (because if I was right I could
live with out it). The only other posibility would be if the wires
have been chaffed and are shorting out somewhere. (6/00) |
|
Well I fought my way through the "black gunk from hell" yesterday
afternoon and removed the actuators from both doors. I have opened
one (the knackered drivers side one) which did have water inside
as well as signs of rust, the motor however runs perfectly so
I guess that the problem lies in the microswitch that senses the
position of the push rod. The only other thing I can think of
is that the contol box is knackered but I am unsure why this would
be.
I will now keep my eyes open to source some good quality actuators
from somewhere, or maybe I should buy cheeper ones and replace
them once a year. Looks like the inside of the door is not a very
nice place to be though... (6/00)
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| Try cutting the brown & purple, this takes out the faulty switch
and they will work with the bleeper again, leaves you having to
open the doors individually from inside though. (6/00) |
| Upon returning from holiday I found I couldn't get into the
driver's side of our car - the door lock motor wasn't unlocking.
I spoke with Coventry Mazda on Saturday who asked me to bring it
in. My partner was having to climb over to the passenger side to
get out of the car because (thankfully I suppose) the lock defaults
to "locked" and you can't open the door from the inside. Well, I've
just visited Cov Mazda and had a replacement motor fitted under
warranty. Speaking to them it would appear that this is a common
problem with the Mazdaguard Plus system available on all models,
post 1998. I can't be more specific on the exact problem, but the
motor had totally failed - you couldn't even hear it trying to work.
I've no idea if this is detailed in a Service Bulletin on miata.net
but I thought you'd like to know. Apparently, the replacement motors
have been "redesigned" in an attempt to resolve this problem. (12/00) |
| Dampness in the motor was the problem. The mod for the replacement
motors is a weatherproof cover (strong plastic bag!) over the motor
itself and a rubber grommet that is fitted on the activator rods
to stop water running down to the motors - water hits the grommet
and drips off supposedly! I hope it works as I've just had my central
locking reinstalled after doing without it for nine months. Time
will tell. (12/00) |
| Had a similar problem with my non OEM loking on my 5. Next time
if/when I fit new actuators I will silicone seal the casing and
apply lots of grease to the actuator arm to try to prevent water
from entering the actuator case which I think is the normal cause
for failure... (12/00) |
| I bought the central locking actuator kit and have decided not
to install it for 2 reasons a: I'm a wimp it's cold and it will
wait until the summer and b: the water problem although I've done
a pretty good job sealing them I noticed that my driver side window
( and I assume passengers as well) doesn't get surface water pushed
off it by the strip of plastic on the door. there is a gap between
the two. is this just mine are do all 5's have this problem? It
is clearly a source of moisture and could lead to all sorts of rust
/ electrical failures in the doors. (12/00) |
| My '95's MAZDA driver's door actuator succumbed to water in this
way when 4 yrs old. (12/00) |
| 'If you own an MX-5 or MX-3 fitted with a Mazdaguard alarm which
has the remote control central locking option, a modification needs
to be carried out free or charge. It has been discovered, in rare
circumstances, that the door lock actuator can be affected by water
causing occasional malfunction of the locking mechanism. If your
car has the above accessory fitted, please contact the service department
who will arrange to modify the system for you, which will take approx.
1 hour. If you are uncertain as to whether your car has this particular
system fitted contact your service department and they may be able
to help' (12/00) |
|
Has anyone fitted central locking motors to a Mk2 1.8i (2000
onwards - W reg), my alarm company is having problems with Mazda
about side impact struts where the locking motors would fit.
My alarm company is awaiting details back from MAZDA about
fitting instructions, as they are saying that they would need
to take one of the struts out of the door (which in turn would
probably invalidate my warranty).
Has anyone else heard of this ? (1/01)
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|
Warranty invalidation?
It would completely destroy the validity of the crash testing
and side intrusion tests the vehicle type has undergone - in short
in would invalidate type approval and it would be illegal to drive
the car in Europe/UK. Not only that, were you to be injured in
an accident, an insurance company would be quite entitled to claim
that you (or the alarm fitter) had contributed to your injuries
and sue for reduced damages payment - and probably win.
I am staggered that an alarm fitter would even contemplate such
a thing - for his own security, if nothing else. The motor trade
never ceases to amaze me.
Makes you think licences based on competence testing might not
be a bad thing before some oik could mess with your car and your
safety.
There. That's better. Rant over. Can go for a drink now! :-)
(1/01)
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I've fitted central locking to my 1997 Mk1 using motors which
I took from a Granada - along with the door switches which are
oval in shape and very Mazda.
The motors are very well built and have internal switches so
you don't need a controller and it's easy to interface them with
a remote activated alarm. Mine fitted very neatly into the door
frame without butchering anything at all. Only problem for some
people might be that you need to file up new rocking plates from
a piece of scrap steel with an extra arm to take the rod from
the motor.
It's unlikely that an auto electrician would do the job this
way but with care you will get a superb job done yourself.
Have you tried Maplin for some motors - they sell them for under
£10? (1/01)
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| The items you call impact struts are small pieces of polystyrene
type material about the size of a door lock motor in exactly the
right place you could easily mount a motor (bit of a pain) but I
was told when on new model training for mx-5 in 1998 under no circumstances
should you remove these items when fitting power locks. (1/01) |
| It makes as much sense as taking out the air-bag to fit a nicer
steering wheel. The brace is there for a reason. I had a motor fitted
to my car and watched the whole fitting. It is a tight fit right
under the brace. Change the fitter and tell him to find some other
line of work. (2/01) |
|
I've got central locking (installed from new in my '99 Mk2
1.8), and have had a lot of grief with it freezing overnight in
winter (good excuse for not going to work though :-) My passenger
door recently failed entirely, so I've just had it fixed. If you've
got a similar situation, then you might be interested to know
the following:
1) Mazda have officially recognised that the unit I had installed
was crap, and tended to get water in it, which leads to it freezing
and/or failing, so if you're having problems you can get it replaced
under warranty.
2) The new lock unit is slightly larger than the old unit, and
it's putting pressure on the window, so now my window goes "kerclunk"
as it passes the half way up/down position - seems to be rubbing/snagging
on the plastic water-protection sheet in the door.
Needless to say, I'll be taking it back in to see if they can
improve on this! So if you get one fitted, run your window up
& down a couple of times before you leave the garage! (4/01)
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| I am in the process of fitting a central locking kiit purchased
from mx5parts.co.uk so far so good, I have fitted the acctuators
and the rods all that remains is the wiring, has anyone out there
got a quick and easy way of feeding 4 wires through the rubber channel
from the body to the door? I just cant seem to get my hands anywhere
near it. (2/02) |
| It's a right pain to do - I got a wire coat hanger, bent it into
a hook, poked the hanger through the doors and the rubber channel,
attached the wiring to the hook on the coat hanger then pulled it
back through. Start on the drivers side as that's more accessible.
When it comes to doing the passengers side, I found it easier to
remove the glove box first.... (2/02) |
| When I did this, I pushed one of the rods through from the cabin
into the door (through that rubber thing) then taped a spare bit
of wire to it, then pulled it back through. On this I then taped
at various intervals the ends of the wiring loom and with some of
force pulled it through (I might be worth lubricating the wires
while doing this) If you leave a spare white in there you can later
use it for pulling other stuff through, like I did with speaker
cable :) (2/02) |
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