I've got the original (Panasonic I think) CD player
in my V Special. To say it's crap would be praising it's performance.
I needn't bother putting it on for the first 15 minutes of a journey
because it jumps to the point of distraction and/or spits out the
disc. Even after 15 mins it's touch and go and quite often not worth
the bother. I've got the standard set up on mine, no stiffened springs
or harder ride, so how do you guys get on with CD players?
Do yours jump like the Fatboy Slim remix?
How about other V Special owners?
Do you have the same problems?
What do you think I can do about it without parting with dosh?
I wondered about putting rubber washers under the screw heads to
try to cushion the vibration. Is this something that would only
work on the lovely happy planet I live on or would it work in reality?
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Ours is the Panasonic VX900 Double Din CD/Radio/Tape. Is that
the same model as yours?
It's very sensitive when swapping discs (quite possibly the temperature
or "feel" of them?) - it will baulk at most on initial loading
but then play them after an eject/re-present.
Ours IS lowered on skyscraper-earthquake-proofing "springs".
No head unit jumping however..... Is yours bolted in or in one
of those tin cages?? (3/00)
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| The pioneer changer I have in my boot works like a champ. The
only CD its ever had problems with wouldn't track properly in my
(Mission DAD5/DAC combo) home player either. (3/00) |
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The CD jumping seems like a common fault with factory Japanese
headunits. I've had so many people wanting replacements for theirs
due to the same fault. As car audio freak, I always try and point
them into getting decent aftermarket headunits. Problem is that
some people like to keep the cars 100% original. In my view I
think it's actually better for Roadsters to go aftermarket, makes
the car look like it's actually been in the hands of a owner rather
than just off the boat ;-)
Another problem especially with the Roadsters is that there isn't
much space for the stereo to live in, add a cowboy fitted FM expander
placed in the already limited space and you have a recipe for
an overheated lightly toasted headunit.
Go on.... get another headunit ;-) Oh yeah, food for thought.
Did you know that some V-specials came with the Pioneer chrome
headunits..... prone to going wrong as well and a replacement
for these from Japan at trade price is around 140000Yen. BTW the
exchange rate is around the 170-175 Yen to the Pound Sterling.
Do the maths and wait for the wobbly knees ;-) (3/00)
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When I was on the hunt for the standard Panasonic stereo for
my Eunos Everyone I phoned up told me the CD player kept ejecting
the CD's so I thought I ask on all the lists about repairing the
player before I bought one that wasn't working...
I got the reply attached below from one of our American friends
, who had the same problem. Hope this helps you in getting your
CD player to work. I must point out that the CD player I eventually
bought worked fine and is still doing so , hence I haven't tried
this fix yet. So you can be the Guinea pig. This fix is the only
reply I got from all the lists and it seems reasonable enough
to me
The good news is that I was able to fix it for absolutely
no cost. In the beginning I noticed was that there was a scraping
sound (tick, tick tick) that seemed to be about the same frequency
as a spinning CD. This was kind of annoying but otherwise the
CD's played OK. Actually this only occurred with some CD's not
all.
After a week or so the problem got worse to the point where
no CD's would play properly at all. As you say, the unit hunted
around for tracks, jumping all over the place playing the occasional
brief few seconds of music before skipping again and never completely
playing any passage of music. It was especially noticeable with
CD's that I got form the municipal library that had labels stuck
to them.
After a few days I tried again and the player refused to play
any CD's at all. Every time one was inserted, it was spit out
a few seconds later. I have met another Miata owner with exactly
the same problem. I removed the CD unit and brought it to Matsushito
(not too sure about the spelling) Electric here in Mississauga
Ontario who is Panasonic, Technics etc. parent company.
They took a week to tell me that they had to replace the laser
pickup thing and basically all the mechanical parts inside, as
the parts were not available individually and could only be changed
out as a unit. Cost was about $300 including labor. At this point
I paid the $25 estimate fee and took it home feeling pretty discouraged.
I wanted to keep the car original but it would be cheaper to just
get an aftermarket CD player. Jeff Anderson who had done my OEM
stereo upgrade told me that he didn't work on CD units so I decided
to have a look inside myself before making a decision.
I removed the shift knob, console,
heating/AC vents. black panel surrounding stereo etc. and pulled
out the stereo and CD unit together and left all the wires connected.
The CD is fortunately on top of the stack and it's lid just
pries off with no screws at all. I was able to insert a CD and
watch what happens inside.
There is a rear hinged cover with a spring loaded centering
pin that presses down on the CD. The CD seemed to have too much
friction when I tried to rotate it by hand. It was clear to me
that the hinged cover itself was dropping down too low and rubbing
on the CD. If I lifted it carefully with tweezers the CD would
start to play normally.
I looked around for a reason as to why this hinged cover was
going down so far and found a little stop lever on the right hand
side towards the back of the unit. At first I thought of bending
this lever a bit to adjust the range of movement of the hinged
cover. Then I saw the problem.
There is a little rubber pad which the lever contacts to cushion
the action. It was glued on with sort of rubber cement and had
slipped out of position with heat and time. I repositioned the
rubber pad using tweezers as it is really impossible otherwise
as things are a bit cramped in there. Worked like a charm after
that. It seemed that CD's that were slightly warped or thicker
due to the label thickness were susceptible at first and when
the pad slipped away completely, all CD's were affected. I'm sure
that more than a few OEM CD players went to landfill for the same
reason. (3/00)
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This isn't going to help you with your "head jumping" I'm afraid,
but I have an original Clarion single disk CD player in my 96
Merlot SE (single DIN fitting)and it's absolutely superb. It's
never jumped once (although I have only had the car for a fortnight!).
It would seem to suggest though, that the problem is either with
the CD player itself, or something inherantly at fault with the
double DIN mounting system. I am afraid you can't pin it on the
hard ride! (3/00)
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| I have an S Special which has the same problem with the CD. It's
a pioneer though and yours is probably too. I haven't done much
about it as I'd rather hear the exhaust note. I think there is an
article on http://www.miata.net
that describes putting more cushioning around the CD player. Not
sure it will cure our problem though. (3/00) |
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I fixed my Panasonic cd player quite simply, but it involves
dismantling the unit. I had all the following symptons:
1. Skipping CD's, though some seemed to skip more than others
(in general, older US made CD's I had were fine, newer ones more
susceptible.
2. CD's refusing to load/eject/track (if I wanted to return to
track 1, it was easier to eject and reload.
These got worse over time (when I first brought the car, it was
fine for 6 months or so).
Sound familiar? I was all ready to junk it, until I came across
a fix at: http://www.geocities.co.jp/MotorCity/3349/psf/cd/cd.html
(its all in Japanese, and even with translingo, it doesn't make
a whole lot of sense, but the piccies are useful pointers).
I decided to follow the fix, as it was fairly risk free (couldn't
get any worse).
You'll need a fine cross head jewellers screwdriver,
a small flat head screwdriver (for levering operations),
fine pliers (tweezers/forceps help),
some silicone sealant,
clear methylated spirits (diluted to 70% in water),
optics safe solvent (I used isopropyl alcohol, but xylene is ok
(AKA Wynns Carbrettor Intake cleaner; we use xylene safely here
to clean very fine optics)).
You are best to work on a clean well lit area, as there are quite
a few small screws involved and one or two springs to unclip/clip.
The fix is similar to the one outlined below, but instead of the
pad slipping out of position, it had in fact become sticky over
time with dirt and the adhesive glue used penetrating through
the felt material.
Dismantle the CD player; the main casing is prised off (at the
tabs handily marked "open"). The front panel also unclips off
as a unit. Get the unit stripped down as far as the pictures show.
There are 2 little springs you'll need to remove along the way.
Panasonic use a gungy black material to anchor the springs. The
sealant is a good substitute and greatly aids reassembly. The
springs go back into place a lot easier than it looks, but be
careful not to lose them.
With the guts of the CD player exposed, time to give everything
a good clean. Clean all the metal bits up and the felt pads with
the meths. The felt pad will initially become more sticky than
before; thats ok, its just excess glue being solubilized. Use
a tissue to mop up the excess solvent (+ glue) on the pad, and
allow to dry. Clean the laser lens with the IPA/xylene only. Meths
has a habit of stripping off optical coatings.
Reassemble the player. With the CD player in bits, you'll notice
how pointless it is for people to worry about how to mount the
player in the dash, with bits of foam or rubber. The CD player
bit is actually mounted on little air filled bushings which seem
to do a good job of dampening out vibrations.
Reassemble the unit back into the dash; just screw it into position
as the designers intended. Its also worthwhile checking whether
the metal bar in the back of the radio/cd combo is in the right
place. Some importers mix and match tape players and CD players
on cars. On tape only cars, the bar is on the cassette unit, with
the cd, its on the cd unit and not on the cassette unit. Worthwhile
checking this.
Since carrying this out in September, I have had only 1 or 2
skips, and thats when hitting a really deep pothole, and the player
always tracks afterwards successfully, something it could never
do before. CD's always eject/load first time, and I can track
up or down fine. (3/00)
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| Are you talking of the Pioneer MSSS1, with the silver front panel?
I tried to take mine out at the weekend to service it and fix the
CD drive (rubber belt drive, fingers crossed), but it won't pull
out further than an inch and a half. Feels as though the cables
are too short - there is no other way of getting to the back to
unplug them without pulling it right out. As far as I know. Even
Jay says it should just lift straight
out. So, still no CDs for me :-( (3/00) |
| Huh? What went in, must come out; probably the leads are snagged.
If you're not sure, try removing the glovebox. It should give you
enough room to get behind and feed through the radio loom as you
remove the unit. Of course you've got to be a contortionist while
doing this. Try a dry day, and lower the roof to save a foot going
though the top... (3/00) |
| One fix for the Pioneer units seems to be the laser itself coming
adrift, at least according to one of the club members over here
who fixed his in his 95 Vspec. Easily fixable if you're prepared
to dismantle the thing. Panasonic units were fitted to most Vspecs
and some Sspecs 90-95 or so (seen some cropping up on 89 cloth trim
cars, so may have been a factory option). Various versions of the
Pioneer unit were fitted from about 94 onwards, and I think by the
end of the Mk1's, a black faced Pioneer unit was standard. (3/00) |
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I have a Sony CD changer too, but it has never been any bother.
I did have one for a while that wouldn't play recordable CD's
so got wrid of it asap.
The only thing I can think of is the turny thing on each end
of the changer, it is for altering how the damping mechanism works
- depending on how it is mounted. i.e. If mounted vertically it
would be turned one way, or horizontally the other way (AFAIK
there are increments in between on some models too). They have
a large arrow that doubles up as a the screw driver slot for altering
it. This must be pointing the right way according to how you have
it mounted. Try that.
If that doesn't work, how about having the lens cleaned, although
it shouldn't be too difficult to get to yourself without even
taking it apart, use a soft cloth or cotton bud with some alcohol
or such (not entirely sure what the correct stuff to use is, check
with someone on that..) and clean any fluff or debris that may
have accumulated on the lens. (3/00)
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| Pretty sure that my problem is the drive - a CD comes back out
again after a few seconds in exactly the same orientation as it
went in. So it hasn't revolved and thus can't be identified by the
unit. (3/00) |
| How do you drive? .. I drive around all the potholes .. and used
to get very few skips .. even with the dreaded Bilstein shockers
.. or even Irish roads!!... and the actual CD sound quality is quite
good .. it certainly was up there with most of the sub 250 GBP ones
I listened to .. the exterior just makes you think it should be
poor... I suppose I did service it though..... i.e. take apart,
blow the fluff out, and clean the laser reading head with alcohol.
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| I've got a JVC 12 stacker and its fitted on the flat bit of floor
to the right of the jack, running front to back. You can still get
the jack out and it doesn't jump at all, and I've got huge tyres
which find the lumps!! (3/00) |
| Two things, Somebody said the single slot CD players suffer from
condensation. So they are hopeless for the first 30 minutes. I don't
remember who said it, but it might have been in the pub on a NW
run. If this is true then you will have to live with it. Also somebody
said a CD lens cleaner (6.99 at Argos) made things a million times
better. I tried this on mine and I don't think it helped. But for
7 quid it has to be worth a go, before you buy some new tunes. (3/00) |
| The only way I stopped my CD player from skipping was to have
it mounted INCREDIBILY loose in the housing, just enough to hold
it in place. Result: perfect it never skips! Added bonus, if someone
wants to nick they don't have to destroy the dash!! (3/00) |
| Well that worked out just fine :-( I took out the player and took
it to bits as per instructions and the pictures from the Japanese
site. Put it all back together having cleaned it all and... it didn't
work. Now it doesn't rotate the disc it just sits for 10 seconds
then spits it out. I've obviously disengaged the motor somehow or
missed a step when I've put it back together again or b*ggered it
up at some other stage. Anyone got any ideas as to how I can fix
it? The first couple of times it made a scratchy type noise before
spitting the disc out now it's just silent then it spits it out.
I know I had a knackered CD player before and I've got one after,
but I hate bits of machinery getting the better of me (yeah, I know
I should be used to it). (4/00) |
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I had a similar thing recently when taking a look into my old
knackered CD changer. This had a similar problem with the cd not
spinning up. I re-soldered the connections for the motor although
I have also managed to track down a replacement motor from a very
old CD ROM drive :) I have also changed the small disk that the
CD sits on that is driven by the motor. This also came from an
old CD ROM drive.
During my tinkering, I noticed that my player would spit out
the disk when not spinning up and try the next in the cartridge.
If the disk did spin up it would try to read the disk information
but give up, this was due to the CD platform not being level thus
making the disk move up and down in relation to the laser when
spun. Basically make sure that the drive motor is trying to spin
the disk, maybe give the disk a little nudge when it tries to
play it, this may give it enough to spin & play it. If this does
not work then I would say the motor is knackered. If it does spin
up then as with my changer I would think the little platform was
slipping on the drive shaft, this is very difficult to sort but
with a little patience and a lot of luck it is possible, I used
a little superglue to fix the disk to the spindle.
I have stripped a few cdrom drives looking for spares and have
found most use stepper motors ? to spin the disk (probably due
to the multi speeds, Single speed drives are like rocking horse
now unfortunately but there may be a motor available from RS or
similar. (4/00)
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Well, initially, I had the same problem as you; after taking
it apart, for the first 5 minutes it wouldn't load anything, but
then it settled down, and since then, everything has been hunky
dory.
Did you use a bit of mastic to resecure the 2 small springs that
you had to disengage; on mine, Panasonic had used some. When you
cleaned the felt pads, afterwards did they feel sticky. I cleaned
them using some clear meths; the solvent solubilized some excess
glue. A dab around with some tissue sort of mopped it up. I checked
before I reassembled that everything was dry and clean. There
isn't any way you could disengage the motor, as you're working
from the other side. There is a bit of circuit board you have
to dislodge, and I suppose its possible to snag a connection there.
On some cd players, I've noticed that the laser its self can jam
up; moving it down its ratchet usually does the trick (but at
your own risk) (4/00)
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My Alpine CD changer seems to skip more than it should. I
can take the odd skip, but on anything other than motorways and
big main roads, I seem to suffer a skip every time I drive over
the slightest hint of a pothole. The changer has always been like
this (it's about two years old) and it is supposedly a good make.
Am I expecting too much or is something wrong ?
If the latter, has it been installed incorrectly ? It is in
the boot, mounted on the left hand side and positioned with the
cassette facing upwards, so that the CDs sit vertically. The cassette
seems to be cushioned against side to side movements (ie you can
physically move it against springs), but not against vertical
movements (you can't push it up and down once it has clicked into
position). Is this the problem ? Or do I need to get my shock
absorbers checked (the car is nine years' old, but has only done
28,000 miles). (8/00)
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Alpine are good but I don't know about the changer locations
- I've only ever had a single slot CD tuner from them. I don't
think it's your shockers but they can go anywhere from 30k miles.
Sounds more like the changer is faulty or hasn't been set to mount
vertically (you usually have to set a switch to say vertical or
horizontal.) My latest CD/Tuner has only skipped once so far but
the hole I hit made the whole car shake - thought I'd knackered
something.
Is it easy enough to try it mounted horizontally?? Maybe it just
needs a clean - my original Jap CD player skipped and I was told
cleaning would fix it. (8/00)
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| We have the same unit in our car. It sits loose in the center
of the spacesaver, and gives no trouble at all other than when we
go into a large pothole. Try giving it a clean, this should help.
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Sounds odd that it has no vertical movement damping ! My pioneer
has some freedom of movement in all directions and is like yours
mounted in in the vertical position. It has not skipped yet due
to potholes or dodgy road surfaces.
I think most if not all CD changers have some settings for the
angle the units are mounted, mine has and the Blaupunkt I had
before this also had. Make sure yours is set to the vertical mounting
position this may affect the damping directions although I would
think this a little odd as damping on all axis would be the best
to reduce/remove skipping.
New shocks would be harder rather than softer so I don't think
it is a shock issue, I have Koni's set on semi hard at the moment
(1/2 turn) and have also run on full hard with no problems from
the CD changer. (8/00)
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| Mine does this when there is dust on the disks or lens. I have
a lens cleaner in as disk 10 permanently to solve this when it happens.
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| A freind of mine had similar probs (megane coupe) and his changer
was not set to be used in upright position Once reset it was fine
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| I originally installed my Sony 10 disc on the wood above the jack
storage area. It seemed to be the only logical place to fit it !
It used to jump really bad, (maybe because the wood was loose though...),
so I moved it to the dip in the boot floor so part of it was tucked
under the spare wheel. Didn't know how to 'screw' it down so I put
some velcro on the bottom & it's attached itself to the carpet.
No jumps since. (8/00) |
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