| I bought a JR CAI kit - has anyone had Mazda/a
garage fit one of these and if so, how much did they charge for
labour/how long did it take them? (11/99) |
| Take a look at my webpage - www.robpickering.co.uk
and have a look at the mods page. On that is a home made CAI kit
cheaply done that works quite well! (11/99) |
| See Fresh Air (11/99) |
| I got my CAI fitted, car started ;o) and drove to Halfords to
get some tie wraps, when I noticed via drops coming from underneath
the car that the thermostat was leaking from the extended thermostat
housing I fitted. The CAI is second hand, and has always been run
using Instant Gasket(silicon type sealant) to seal the thermostat
extension. Now after my 2nd attempt, I still cannot get the damn
thing to seal, with coolant dripping quickly out of a the front
of the thermostat housing, where the extended housing meets the
thing that goes on top of the thermostat housing (make sense?) Am
I right in assuming the new thermostat that comes with the CAI,
fits on the top of the new thermostat extension and not in its original
position which would now be at the bottom of the thermostat extension?
(1/00) |
| Either get some new gaskets from JR, or make some up from gasket
material. Sticking gum round it will never seal properly. (1/00) |
| Try any motor factors - Halfords might even sell it. You actually
need two gaskets - one under the spacer, one above, but you should
be able to re-use the original from your car for one if it's not
too knackered. (1/00) |
| You really should get another and do it properly. Instant gasket
is a big bodge! (1/00) |
| .. so this means the engine is a bodge .. as it uses instant gasket
on most of the other parts... it certainly upped my faith in this
particular bodge .. here is manufacturer doing it! .. but as you
say .. if they had a gasket ..you need a gasket! (1/00) |
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Am I right in assuming the new theromstat that comes with
the CAI, fits on the top of the new thermostat extension and not
in its original position which would now be at the bottom of the
thermostat extension?
IIRC, you are not right. The thermostat should be at the bottom.
This might be the cause of your leak. (1/00)
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Our '5' has now covered well over 20,000 miles since fitting
the Jackson Racing C.A.I. kit (83,000 in total). I reckoned the
foam panel air filter could benefit from a clean.
After (unsuccessfully) searching for a UK supplier to provide
me with a Jackson Racing foam air filter cleaning kit (part number
901-970). I finally purchased some excellent products from a motor
cycle specialist. What you need is a powerful cleaner that won't
dissolve plastic or glue, and a very tacky oil but which can also
penetrate the foam layers.
PJ1 Foam Filter Cleaner Spray (part 15-22)
PJ1 Foam Filter Treatment Spray (part 5-20)
Instructions are easy to follow and cost should be around 5 per
aerosol tin plus any P&P. I got mine from White Bros.. (Darlington)
Ltd. Tel. 01325 483121 It was amazing to see just how much dirt
washed away. All in all, super products and plenty left over for
several more cleans and treatments.
Just be careful folks that you use the correct products for your
type of filter. Cotton and foam filters use very different fluids.
(2/00)
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The best peice of advice I can give anyone is to get a 1/4" socket
drive, an extension for it, a 10mm socket and a universal joint.
You can then disconnect the aluminium air box adaptor from the
airbox. This means no force/fiddling required to get the air box
in place and you can also attach the air flow meter to the adaptor
out of the car and lower it into place - brackets and all. No
hassles with fitting the bracket to either the adaptor or the
air flow meter and no messing about with the thermostat, either
in terms of moving it or having to take it out and put it back
in. With these tools (cost me about 10 quid), the job just becomes
so much easier - I could probably fit one in under an hour...
Careful reading of the instructions and having a decent socket
set with extensions etc and a decent set of spanners (and a big
adjustable spanner if you have power steering to bend a bracket)
means that the job's not too difficult at all. I'm a computer
games programmer - I know next to nothing about car engines, and
I did it - so that means it can't be too hard at all....!
Remember the universal joint though - it's impossible to separate
the two parts without it. Of course, you don't need to - it just
makes it bloody awkward otherwise - not difficult - just fiddly...
(2/00)
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I agree with the above- it's a piece of pizz as long as you follow
the instructions that come with the kit. I only had one problem
and made one deviation from the instructions.
The problem: I couldn't understand how to refit the bonnet prop,
which must now lie at a different anglw within the engine compartment.
In the end, I fitted a hydraulic prop (cost about $40).
And the deviation from instructions ? Same as above: disassemble
the black plastic box from the aluminium elbow, fit to the car
separately. I used a combination of 3/8 drive sockets, knuckle
and extender to do this as the bolts & nuts are fiddly. The instructions
go to great pain to describe 'forcing' the pre-assembled kit into
the car, telling you to go ahead and push/bend/scrape - oh, and
ignore any cracking sounds ! But, much simpler to disassemble
first.
Note that the newer kits don't mention or provide a replacement
thermostat, so there's no need to do anything there. I soldered
the wiring connections - all in all, an easy install and plenty
of smiles afterwards :) (2/00)
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| I am currently looking at the JR CAI, but I also want to supercharge
my '5. Question: from the 1 blurred picture I have seen it looks
like it takes up a fair amount of space on the pasenger side, partly
where the supercharge sits, can you fit them both to the car. Also,
do you *need* the CAI with a supercharger or is the general opinion
that something like a replacement filter is sufficient. Next one,
does the JR CAI use the stock filter like the racing beat CAI? (3/00) |
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The JR CAI is for normally-aspirated engines only. I can highly
recommend it, but just note that if you spend $350 on it, you'll
have to remove it before you fit your charger.
The forced-induction setups will have some sort of integrated/dedicated
air intake system anyway, some of which include an intake over
the mouth (just like the JR CAI) while others will include an
intercooler of some sort.
You can see my JR CAI at http://www.crosswinds.net/dublin/~franksm/mx5/4.jpg
and http://www.crosswinds.net/dublin/~franksm/mx5/8.jpg
BTW the air fliter used by the JR CAI is a free-flowing filter
similar to the K&N and other filter. It's a small, flat panel
filter. (3/00)
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| The JR CAI isn't compatible with the SC. The Sebring SC doesn't
have any form of ducting. The intake sits just behind the headlight.
But saying that the SC does benefit a great deal from customising
some form of CAI. I seen various options; from fitting a K&N cone
plus extension pipe back to the AFM, to fitting cold air ducting
from under the car to the intake area of the SC. (3/00) |
| Question is: if you've fitted the CAI hose over the bonnet
support as per the instruction, how do you redesign the support
to work again? (3/00) |
| So where do you relocate the bonnet prop to? There are two people
on this list who now have no bonnet prop, has anyone relocated it
succesfully? (3/00) |
| I didn't bother with all the bending, etc needed to keep the original
prop. Wouldn't have worked anyway cos the ABS spidery thingy gets
in the way. Instead I used the kit that attaches a prop to the shock
tower brace from Dealer Alternative.(3/00) |
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There's 2 things I know of:-
- relocation the catch that the bonnet prop uses to a hole near
the drivers side headlamp so that the prop is almost up against
the coolant bottle. You can then remove the bonnet prop, bend
it a bit and get it to go over the CAI. I then used to tie a cloth
round the prop and it used to rest snugly over the CAI. Of course
this all changed when the Mazda dealer did the accident repair
and just plain cut a hole in the CAI so it now goes through!!!
Works OK actually but I can't help but feel the mechanics have
a banana-heavy diet if you know what I mean.
- get a hydraulic bonnet prop from Performance Buyers Club or
similar. Drilling required if you have a Roadster as the hole
in the bulkhead isn't big enough. UK cars OK I believe. Check
before you buy. (3/00)
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| No. UK cars (and Roadsters, I would expect) have the wiper motor
where it is best to put the hole. It is easily sorted by drilling
out one of the wiper motor mounting holes and using that. I know
a number of people that have used this fix, and all are very happy
with it. (3/00) |
| I fitted a JRCAI on a friends car a while ago. Didn't have to
relocate the prop. Just took it out, gave it a good jank in the
visors and put it back in. Worked like a charm;) (3/00) |
| Easiest thing to do is to buy the hydraulic bonnet prop from www.finishlineperformance.com
- only needs a minor mod to fit RHD cars (which I can explain later).
I am very happy with mine. (3/00) |
| The instructions don't mention janking or anything else, it says
that it simply relocates in front of the right hand bonnet stop
and the other end rests by the brake proportioning valve, unfortunately
the brake proportioning valve is diagonally across the engine bay.
(3/00) |
| I used the JR relocation kit that came with it. Worked OK, but
not great, so I fitted a gas prop which I purchased from performance
buyers club in the US (the one given 'best buy' by MCA). I have
now added the Dealer Alternative FM prop which fits to their strut
tower brace, why,,,,,,,,,, because a good gust of wind can bring
the bonnet down on your head when using just the gas hood prop (it
also struggles to hold the bonnet up on steep inclines). Other gas
props may be stronger, but they tend to make the bonnet bulge, like
my Moss boot prop does a bit (soon to be thrown out). (3/00) |
| I used a self adhesive clip (like for tidying up computer wires)
stuck on the side of the windscreen washer bottle to hold the far
end of my prop instead. (3/00) |
| Can't you straighten the old one .. then rebend so it misses ..
certainly worked with my FM CAI .. cannot see the vice marks as
it was all done in a cloth wrapped vice.. (3/00) |
| I used to clip mine under the washer bottle lid. (3/00) |
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I've done a lot of homework and searching reviews etc. and
I've come to the decision to buy the Racing Beat intake also marketed
with a different bracket (cruise control would you believe) and
instructions by Crazy Red Italian.
They all seem pre-occupied with the way it sounds, I'd be
more interested in any gains at the back wheels... I know the
intake is $155 (what's that in £'s?), I have a couple of questions..
1. Has anyone in the group had experience with these products/companies?
2. Where, if anywhere, can you buy them from in the UK? (I gather
the service from Crazy Red Italian is very good but the product
is too much at $169) (4/00)
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I bought the RB unit from Crazy Red a couple of years ago and
put 20,000 happy miles on it before upgrading to a JR CAI. From
Crazy Red, it cost $200 incl. shipping. It was very easy to fit,
and worked a treat - power increased a little and fuel economy
became better also. But it was worth it mainly for the way it
freed up the engine (slightly), allowing it to rev better. Plus
the noise that it makes... hmmm...
I can recommend the product, and I can also recommend the people
at CR - very good and friendly to deal with (I asked them loads
of questions over email prior to and after buying) (4/00)
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| I bought the Racing Beat product from Crazy Red - the reason they're
more expensive is you get a blow by blow idiot's guide to installation,
and a different set of brackets to the ones supplied normally (
I think ! ), anyway, V V easy install, and they're right, the improvement
in sound is much more noticeable than the improvement in power !
(4/00) |
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Fitted this weekend with much problems (but then its not MX5
specific) performance easily outways the difficulties.
Basically a cone filter in a heat shield with a venturi effect
cone bolts onto the air flow meter. (Like the brainstorm mega
heat shield cone thingy).
I had to fabricate a small bracket to hold the airflow meter
and cut some bolts down in length and get a square to round adapter.
A silicone hose fits onto the front of this and directs cold air
direct onto the filter. Mine sits just behind the gap in the bonnet
where the headlight is.
Loads of torque and because the unit is sealed trottle response
is almost always instant as there is already cold air in the heat
shield. Cost 135.
Looks good and like stock not bodged (which is surprising
for me). Sounds not much different but can hear the tube sucking.
Much improved drivability when combined with 14 degree timing.
Only regret that I couldn't either get RAM pipe into the gap
behind the mouth of the 5 or drill the bumper and fit there with
adaptor supplied. Maybe later tried last night but too much engine
in there to route a big tube. Might have to see what I can do
about getting more air in somehow eg. headlight cover etc. (7/00)
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| Have you looked at the 'scoop' that the Jackson CAI uses? It might
be worth copying. It's not exactly a pipe, though - more a flattened
plastic letterbox! (7/00) |
| Take a look at www.robpickering.co.uk
go to the mods section and check out the CAI kit. See if its of
any use for directing cold air into your kit.... (7/00) |
| Yep know what you mean but it sits at the top of the radiator
not where the cold air rushes in. My plan is to get either into
the smiley mouth at the front or direct into the front bumper to
get cold air rushing straight in. Second option is a bit permanent
though so maybe not. Could have done it Monday night but concerned
over catching the pulleys at the front of the engine whilst driving.
Might have another go outside the plastic engine sheild and into
the smiley mouth at the weekend. (7/00) |
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Be careful going to low with that hose. A couple of weeks ago
during a thunderstorm I was driving to Mansfield, Notts where
roads were quickly turning into rivers. Outside Kingsmill Hospital
I came across a rather large lake on the carriageway which nearly
turned the car into a bathtub!
Having had water shoot over my head (top down) during an underestimated
ford crossing previously, I was aware that the profile of the
car tends to scoop water. On this occasion I was very relieved
that I had not taken a hose to the mouth. The engine would have
drowned and I would have had to swim! (7/00)
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Went skiing last week, arrived back in Dublin on Sat morning
after getting an hour sleep the night before (big session on the
last night in Austria!). Waiting for me was a nice big package
containing a Jackson Racing Cold Air Induction Kit. Fitted it
that afternoon (still no sleep but wide awake now!) took about
2 hours as one of the bolts would not fit properly into the front
cowl (I have ABS so the windscreen washer bottle filler cap was
in the way by about 5mm after moving it about a little), this
was easily fixed though later on with a big black cable tie ;-)
Went out for a spin... first impressions... Wow! The noise, the
vibration, the kickin the back when u drop from 3rd to second
at 4000rpm, the acceleration in 5th up to 70+, the kick in the
back when accelerating in first and u get to about 3500/4000 rpm,
I'm really really impressed, I didn't expect this much of a gain!!!
I took a friend of mine for a spin (I didn't tell him about it),
I did the 3rd to 2nd shift to overtake another car.... I quote
him "HOLY SH*T!!!" , heh heh I assume the gain is helped by the
rs-r header I installed a few weeks ago, the cat pipe and cat
back exhaust to get better breathing from the engine.... (?) Its
a really nice piece of kit and fits well. Anyone who can hold
a wrench can fit one of these, nothing complicated.
One question I have though.... after fitting, when the car is
warm and the engine drops to idle, the revs "bounce" a little,
is this due to an air leak somewhere (haven't had time since Sat
to retighten all screws/bolts) or is it just a matter of upping
the base idle from 850 to ... something higher? (3/01)
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I'm looking to give my '99 MK2 SE a small power boost budget
is c £200, choices are:
1) Monster Air
2) Brainstorm Powerstack
3) Racing Beat INtake with K&N Filtercharger
4) replace the stock air filter with the K&N version (and save
myself a few quid!)
What are people's views/experiences on these, please? Number
3 seems to have got the better reviews on Miata.net, looks most
professional and seems best positioned for cold(er) air in the
engine bay. Downside is it needs sourcing in the US, but I can't
see that being a problem. I know these products give little (if
any) power gain..it's (as I understand it) mainly a case of slightly
freer revving and much throatier engine noise. I used to run a
Supercharged MK1 (fantastic!), but don't wish to spend the money
on either parts or insurance this time round. All comments welcome.
(6/01)
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I went option 3) although the full Toucan product from R-active
with the intake ram pipe too. Cost 120 + brackets etc. as it was
a universal kit. I think all told I managed around 125 but I'd
reckon on more like 150 if you had to buy all the bits retail.
I'm very happy with the result but if I was doing it again. I'd
think about going ITG foam panel filter and running a pipe from
the standard air box through the firewall to the air intake near
the windscreen. Would cost around 35-45 depending on where you
buy your tubing and hole maker from.
Max Power etc. always recomend drilling the bottom of the air
box when replacing the filter. I personally can't see any benefit
in doing this as you may get more air in but potentially risk
losing airflow so not too sure about that mod. I prefer the sound
of Foam over Cotton and have always had better on road results
from Foam (Esp. ITG stuff). (6/01)
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| The single biggest improvement you can net for this kind of loot
on a Mk2 (albeit with a tad more cash) is to put a decent header
on it - this has realised as much as 15bhp in the past. The air
filter methods will probably get around 5bhp (at best). The header
will alter the sound as well. However, I think they're around 300
quid so perhaps too much cash? As far as the intakes go, I'm sure
you know but the RB site has a test of all the intakes against each
other on the dyno... (6/01) |
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I have a '99 Mk2 and an R-Speed Monster Air intake (bought from
Moss, www.mossint.co.uk)
I can't compare it to any of the other options, but I'm *very*
happy with it, especially in tunnels :-)
For a full run-down, installation description, pictures, and
sound samples (sad, I know!! I'm fitting an FM dual exhaust this
weekend to see if that helps with my massive psychological problems!!
:-) see: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/2034/rspeed.html
(6/01)
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| Forgive the dunce question but what is the header, where is
the best place to get one and what does its replacement involve?
I would be quite happy with +15bhp (ish) (6/01) |
| The header is what connects the engine to the exhaust, the 4 into
1 set of pipes on the nearside (port) of the engine. The top part
visible in the engine bay is actually (normally) hidden by a heat
shield with "Caution Hot" or something similar written on it. I
might be wrong here but isn't any gain made by the header only realised
if you have a free flow exhaust? (6/01) |
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Header" is the US term for exhaust manifold - i.e. the front
part of the exhaust pipe from the engine back to the catalytic
converter (which is about half-way to the back).
For reviews and more information on exhausts, take a look at
http://www.miata.net/products/intex/
I get the impression that you would only get about 15bhp (at
least on a Mark2) by replacing the air intake AND exhaust manifold
AND the rear exhaust section (aka silencer, back-box, cat-back
systems) - i.e. maybe free up about 5hp each for these 3 "pieces".
But that's just my general impression from reading around - I
know very little about the specifics on free-flow manifolds. (6/01)
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I remember reading someplace that Manifold replacement is one
of the worst value (in terms of cost vs power increase) modifications
you can make. I've have had 2 Roadsters that came with very expensive
looking 4 branch manifolds (one was 4-1, the present one is 4-2-1),
and quite honestly I think the difference between these cars and
other standard manifold MX5s/Roadster 1.6's I've tried is pretty
marginal under normal driving conditions (you might notice more
of a difference on the track though). A cheap change that really
impressed me after driving a 1990 1.6 Roadster before and after
was a cat replacement pipe. In theory, the standard cat is pretty
free flowing (well, so I read), and that taking it off shouldn't
make all that much of a difference. The 120k km cat taken off
looked in good shape. The cat pipe used was a Scorpion stainless
steel pipe (the brand of pipe used I don't think makes a huge
difference). The car seemed to have a lot more low end pick-up,
which I suppose is where it matters on the road. It was running
on the stock exhaust, but with a K&N filtercharger intake. Maybe
the old cat has blocked somewhat, so explaining the performance
increase. But I've had testamonial from the owner of a very late
1997/8 Mk1 1.8 (last Mk1) who took off his cat (these cars have
a very restrictive looking long catalyst thats very easy to remove)
and replaced it with 2" copper pipe, with a flange braized at
one end (late cats only have one flange). Again, he reckons it
has really free'd the engine up. I have a Scorpion pipe currently
in the boot, waiting to go....;)
Scole Engineering came up with a neat solution regarding manifold
modifcation. They reckon the stock manifold is already a pretty
good design, compared to other production manifolds. They have
produced a modified down pipe that effectively turns the manifold
into a 4-2-1 design. Pretty impressive numbers I seem to recall
from Gaydon when combined with their shortened intake (at the
time it looked prety messy, but hopefully they've tidied it up
a bit by now). I think it was being touted at about £150-200 all
in. (6/01)
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| Whether it's worth it to any particular individual, I'd hesitate
to declare but... When I put the Jackson Racing Exhaust Header on
my 97M (US 1.8L), it made a dramatic difference. The engine would
rev out much more freely and quickly. [It was added after already
having replaced the exhaust system with a muffler shop custom install
(for spare relocation) and JR CAI.] (6/01) |
| Maybe the headers do benefit the 1.8's more than the 1.6 models;
the 1.6's are already buzzy little engines with a higher redline.
Still, I've never been convinced about headers and whether they're
worth it; after all at £500 you're getting close to a HKS turbo
kit (which can't use aftermarket manifolds anyhow), and the Grassroots
Motorsports figures prove it,; you're not freeing up dramatically
huge amounts of power. (6/01) |
| I noted a clear power increase when I put the JR header on our
1.6. (6/01) |
| Hmmm.... Maybe there are differences year to year or whatever,
but I found a dramatic change when I installed a JR ceramic header
on my 1.8. The car was much more willing to rev to redline. The
butt feeling was that it remove some sort of restriction/choking
in the output. I'd definitely recommend a header change, and specifically
the JR 4-2-1 header. (6/01) |
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after all at £500 you're getting close to a HKS turbo kit
£500 for a Hks turbo? Where from? At mx5parts there £2000. Even
a greddy is 1100 pounds? Id be surprised if you got more than
4hp out of a header, and even then you really need to do the zorst,
cat and airfilter. (6/01)
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| The headers also benefit the Mk2 cars - apparently more than Mk1.
Miata Magazine in the States (January 2001) saw a 15bhp improvement
when they replaced the header and exhaust with Racing Beat header
and Racing Beat dual exhaust. That's about as good as it's going
to get for these mods... (6/01) |
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I might be wrong here but isn't any gain made by the header
only realised if you have a free flow exhaust?
As I understood it yes. You start at the back and work forward
other wise you have a lovely large bore pipe all the way through
to a peashooter outlet and don't achieve much. (6/01)
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