| At my service, not only did Mazda reckon
the rear brake pads need replacing (thanks
everyone for the advice to buy them myself) but now they also reckon
I need a new rear calliper. Suggestions for suppliers? (11/99) |
| V. V Expensive. Roebuck Mazda in Atlanta or Finish Line Performance
- see miata.net for both. They do service kits as well, at reasonable
cost, but (see below) Or Jay Ng (Powerdrift) or a scrapyard if you
don't mind a secondhand one (or he might have new ones) but I wouldn't
buy s/h brake components. Just MHO. (11/99) |
| Scimitar (www.mx5parts.co.uk)
were doing recon calipers, but also consider a caliper rebuild kit;
rear ones are available through people like blueprint. (11/99) |
| Grease the sliding bolts. (11/99) |
| We took his caliper off at lunch time to take a look. Both sliders
are OK, it was the piston that had seized!! After hitting it with
a hammer we got it moving again. Didn't see any evidence of a leak!!
I think he is going to see how that goes for now, after putting
new pads on. I think, that with the new pads, the piston will rest
in a different position and is less likely to seize? (11/99) |
| I think that if he gets it again, he will need to take out the
piston and polish it and the cylinder with metal polish - a trick
that has worked for me in the past. (11/99) |
| Interesting. Wonder how this could happen if everything else was
functional. Old brake fluid + no use for a long time? (11/99) |
| I suppose quite possible if its a Eunos Roadster; they seem to
hang about in japanese yards/ships/dublin yards/forecourts for about
3-4 months (well, mine had judging from the paperwork I had with
it) (11/99) |
| Not in this case, my little baby has been running arounf the UK
for 4 years. (11/99) |
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Brake calipers have chromed pistons with a ground finish and
zinc/cadmium plated bodies. There is minimal clearance between
these parts and two seals; square O ring style for the brake fluid
and a dust boot.
Normally the dust boots cracks up with age/temperature. Then
the grease gets out and water gets in .. some time later the piston
seizes in the body as the rust expands.
So first inspect your dust boots .. unless these are in good
condition you are only buying 9 months of time by fettling the
rest; source new ones if required. Then use a blunt set of mole
grips or proper brake bars to seal off the rubber hoses .. be
careful to only just nip the rubber hose supplying the caliper.
Next make sure the bleed nipple moves as if it does not you will
not be able to bleed the brakes for reassembly... a prerequisite
to doing the job.
Now take caliper off .. you can either pump the piston out with
the brake pedal (but be ready with the blunt mole grips when it
pops out) .. or blow it out with compressed air into a rag ...
air will push piston out with a fair pop.. if really seized you
will have to pump it out with the brake pedal.
Inspect chromed piston .. should be unpitted but you can live
with slight pits.. knock off all loose bits around pits so it
is smooth - screwdriver's edge will do this if used as scraper
not chisel.
Now look in body .. the square seal will still be in place ..
ideally hook out with flattern hooked old bit of screwdriver ..
seal picker.. funny sort of thing.. watch you do not damage it
if you have no replacement. Now clear the crud out with small
screwdriver .. and if required use 300 grit wet'n'dry or finer
to clear to the top of the steel surface (doesn't matter about
rust in the pits).. now reassemble with silicon grease (DO NOT
USE ordinary grease as it makes the seals swell and you caliper
will seize on again...) Make sure there is some grease between
the square seal and dust boot as this is what prevents the corrosion
.. result is caliper 75% as good as new .. should last 4-5 years
if the chrome is OK on the piston.
.... now the quick and dirty way for an MOT .. lever piston back
into body (take one pad out and lean on disc .. naughty again)
.. I have used a 5 ton hydraulic puller to do this... then put
old pads back in .. and pump piston back out.. repeat about 5-6
times and the piston will be free... nasty but what used to happens
every spring to my old Lancia for MOT .. summer use only so just
fine (and it has bigger brakes then the '5' with a 1300cc..) (11/99)
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Seizure of the piston(s) is the primary cause of caliper failure,
and is not at all uncommon. Malcolm gave a good summary of how
to fix it - you don't need a new caliper - you do need a caliper
rebuild kit (I wouldn't contemplate stripping the caliper and
not using a kit, except in dire emergency), and you might need
a new piston. You can sometimes resurrect a seized piston by polishing
with the finest grade of abrasive paper - make sure you clean
it completely afterwards.
I read that Blueprint do a rebuild kit. You have to find a Blueprint
stockist - they aren't that common, although I know a few.
Anyone got the full list?
Also available by mail order from Finish Line Performance (miata.net
marketplace)
Does anyone know if you can get new pistons, and where? (11/99)
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| From miata net and other
sources it seems as though the rear calipers seize quite often..Is
there any cause for this or is it jsut normal wear and tear...they
seem to be very expensive as well (12/99) |
| Due to lack of maintenance. The sliding pins should be lubricated
with copper grease occasionally, and the handbrake adjustment kept
up to scratch. Also the pistons must be retracted with the manual
adjustment mechanism (allen screw behind a cap which looks like
a bolt on the back of the caliper) when replacing pads. (12/99) |
| Today I replaced my rear pads on my 91 Eunos. I followed the
book & wound bck the caliper OK. When I had reassembled it all,
I had virtually no brakes, despite repeated operation. I then had
to rewind the calipers out again until they just gripped. Brakes
now OK,but does this mean they are not self adjusting? (1/00) |
| Yes .. you have to manually adjust them, although they must be
the only rear hand-brake callipers I know that you do have to ..
the mechanism is expensive and puts the unsprung weight up marginally!
(1/00) |
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My passenger's side caliper on my 1994 1.8 Roadster have in
the past been very noisy. After greasing the sliding pins, replacing
the pads, oiling the braking mechanism, replacing the piston seal,
putting a small piece of tin into the pin receptacle (to prevent
uneven pad wear), I'm still left with my same problem, which I
think I can guess why.
I recently noticed that when replacing the pads on the opposite
wheel, it had a seal around where the top pin slides in and out
of the rear receptacle. The problematic wheel has this missing
- is this causing the grease on the to pin to dry out/dirt enter,
and thus inhibit the sliding mechanism? If I dismantle the caliper
(which I have done on numerous occasions), and re-grease the whole
thing, it is fine for 3-4 weeks - then the orchestra starts -
giving the impression of drying out/getting dirty.
Phoning Mazda, the small rubber seal will cost £40 as part
of a caliper overhaul kit. Ouch!
So:
(a) Anyone recommend a company that can refurbish calipers
(b) Anyone know where I can pick up a 1.8 caliper (cheaply)
(c) Anyone know if a 323 caliper will have the same rubber seal,
and if so - where can I get one
(d) Will replacing this darn seal fix my problem? (6/00)
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a) I don't think you need one, yet.
b) Ka Yu or Powerdrift
et al.
c)I would guess they are, so try a Mazda dealer (but not the
same one as before. He might remember you and suss out you are
trying to save money.) Alternative there must be other makes of
car that have the same little bit of rubber.
d)I would guess so. You could try moving the seal from the other
calliper. If the problem moves then you have found the cause.
(6/00)
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| My brake calipers are looking very tatty, even though they
are only 10 months old. I'd like to tart them up a bit, so has anybody
got any suggestions? Is hammerite any good, or will the INTENSE
heat cause it to burst into flames creating an illusion of the Bat-mobile
down our local high street and prompting the local fire service
into action? Can you buy proper caliper paint? (8/00) |
| You can buy calpier paint but it aint cheap , try demon
tweeks . (8/00) |
| You can get caliper lacquer made by a company called Foliatec.
The only place I've seen this in the UK is Xtreme in Harlow who
have gold, black, red, silver, yellow and blue ('cos we have all
the best cosmetic mods here in Essex ;-) - it costs about 20 quid.
(8/00) |
| FOLIATEC (or summat like that....DT, Carnoisseur....& Halfords...&
probably "that tatty spares place on the corner"....) Various colours,
£20 IIRC (8/00) |
| Great minds on the Foliatec advice... As luck would have it I
did mine two years ago AND took a pic half an hour ago - although
the pic. was in amazement at how much EBC Green Stuff pad dust can
be generated with an hours spirited driving on Scottish lanes! You
can just see the caliper. The red colour is very "strong" and the
paint itself very durable. Go for it!! http://members.tripod.co.uk/yee_har/fto/fto_images/brakedust.jpg
(8/00) |
| You can buy proper calliper paint but it costs a fortune. I have
painted mine in hammerite about 2.5 years ago, & they still look
good. This includes a track day too. (8/00) |
| I used an engine laquer paint on the calipers on my last mini
(1967 1275cooper S) that had hard pads (run hotter) and even on
track days it was fine. I wouldnt spend a fortune on expensive laquer
- even if the pads are very hot the actual calipers will be relitavely
cool as the contact area between the pad and the caliper piston
is quite small. I think it was Hammerite engine laquer that I used
and after 2 years it looked fine. (8/00) |
| Yes you can buy 'proper' caliper paint sold at all outlets that
do big boom boxes and carbon fibre sticky backed plastic to annoying
kids in Vauxhall Nova's etc. :-) (8/00) |
| I did the job today, and I used Hammerite smooth in Gold. If it
looks shite I'll just recoat with something else, but paint was
only a fiver,compared with proper paint. (8/00) |
| I've been thinking its time I greased the caliper pins before
they seaze up, whats the best stuff to use, obviously normal grease
melts with the heat and I've heard that copperslip goes rock hard
with heat! What can I use ?? (9/00) |
| They don't get very hot. Just use either Lithium grease (ie "Ordinary"
grease) or I've recently greased mine with synthetic grease (usually
comes in a tube) - don't know how that's going yet. But do it at
least once a year. (And take the caliper completely off the slider
pin - make sure the pin is clean before greasing and reassembly)
(9/00) |
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Went over to Mazda to get the prices of the slider pins for
the rear brake calipers. After much hunting around on their database,
we found them: "pins, slider". Only, 2 were listed per side, with
the same part number on each side. I thought they were different?
They're not much; about £2.50 each or so, but can anyone confirm,
before I order them.
Would ordering a seal kit be a good idea, or not necessary.
I seem to remember when I looked at the seals, they looked ok,
without any splits. (10/00)
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I'm very confused, too.
I am absolutely, 100% certain that on each rear caliper there
is one slider, which is a smooth cylinder with a thread on one
end (on a reduced diameter) and either a hex socket or a hex shape
at the other end (both varieties are around). See the illustration
I referred you to before on Finish Line Performance. This goes
into a blind hole in the caliper.
There is also a slider/bolt, which is a longish bolt with a smooth
section to act as a slider and a threaded section (at the opposite
end to the head) which screws into the mounting bracket. The latter
is described as a lock bolt in the workshop manual.
The front caliper is different. This has two identical lock bolt/slider
pins. they too have a smooth section and a threaded section, but
the threaded section is below the head and the smooth slider section
is at the end of the bolt. The difference is because the format
of the mounting brackets for front and rear calipers are completely
different.
I can only think that the dealer was looking at a pic of the
front caliper. If the seals are intact (I assume you mean the
rubber seals covering the slider bolts) they should be OK. I spray
all rubber seals with rubber lubricant whenever I look at them
- it keeps the rubber supple. Make sure that the seals are properly
located in the grooves provided for them around the respective
holes. (10/00)
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Unseizing the calipers
Jack the car up and support it firmly - take the wheel off, release
the handbrake.
See if you can move the handbrake pivot on the caliper. You may
be able to identify if the cable is seized, or the pivot in the
caliper is seized. It may help to remove the cable from the pivot.
You may or may not be able to free either or both, but if one
or other is seized you'll need to be planning on replacing the
cable, and/or rebuilding or exchanging the caliper. It might be
OK for a while, but it may happen again any time.
However, if both of those are free, proceed as follows:
Remove the plug from the back of the caliper (looks like a bolt),
insert an allen key (4mm?) into the adjuster and see if you can
retract the piston - don't use too much force or you'll damage
the adjuster splines. Hopefully the piston will retract, but anyway,
proceed to the next step. Remove the lower pivot bolt.
Try and rotate the caliper - a crowbar or tyre lever might be
handy, but be careful.
You should eventually be able to get it to rotate, then when
the caliper is clear of the disc and the pads, it might pull towards
you off the top pivot. Use some force if necessary, again being
careful.
If you're lucky, you'll get it off. In that case, check the condition
of the rubber boots on the sliding pins. If they've got holes
in, you'll need new ones, but it's not undriveable even if they
are damaged. Grease the sliding pins - I use Finish Line Synthetic
bicycle lubricant - black tube from Halfords Cycle dept.
Be very careful not to trap the boots when you reassemble. Adjust
the handbrake with the allen key adjuster until the disc is locked,
then back it off 1/3 - 1/2 a turn.
If the caliper won't come off the pivot, you have a problem.
You need to disconnect the handbrake cable, the hydraulic hose
(clamp it with a proper hose clamp) and remove the caliper complete
with bracket. (2 bolts bracket to hub carrier)
Take it to a bench/vice. Hold the bracket in the vice and hit
the caliper, preferably with something that won't damage it, such
as a brass drift and hammer. Be very careful where you hit it,
and only use just sufficient force. It will eventually come off.
You'll need to clean up the pin and its socket.
Grease the sliding pins in the other side, and keep them greased
regularly in future - at least once every 6 months.
If you feel you really need a new caliper, you could rebuild
or get an exchange one - it looks as though an exchange one might
be a better bet. (6/01)
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| Excellent instructions, to which I can only add: If the pivot
arm does not move freely and if you have the caliper loose, you
can put it upside down on the lower A-arm and use some rust penetrating
oil on the area where the pivot arm comes out of the caliper. Let
it sit for a night or so, and try to move the pivot arm now and
then. It should become free. Then apply some acid free thin oil
to the area and let it sit for some hours again. I have tried that
method two times, and AFAIK, in both cases this has worked for years
and still does (combined with proper routine maintenance). (6/01) |
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