At my service, not only did Mazda reckon the rear brake pads need replacing (thanks everyone for the advice to buy them myself) but now they also reckon I need a new rear calliper. Suggestions for suppliers? (11/99)
V. V Expensive. Roebuck Mazda in Atlanta or Finish Line Performance - see miata.net for both. They do service kits as well, at reasonable cost, but (see below) Or Jay Ng (Powerdrift) or a scrapyard if you don't mind a secondhand one (or he might have new ones) but I wouldn't buy s/h brake components. Just MHO. (11/99)
Scimitar (www.mx5parts.co.uk) were doing recon calipers, but also consider a caliper rebuild kit; rear ones are available through people like blueprint. (11/99)
Grease the sliding bolts. (11/99)
We took his caliper off at lunch time to take a look. Both sliders are OK, it was the piston that had seized!! After hitting it with a hammer we got it moving again. Didn't see any evidence of a leak!! I think he is going to see how that goes for now, after putting new pads on. I think, that with the new pads, the piston will rest in a different position and is less likely to seize? (11/99)
I think that if he gets it again, he will need to take out the piston and polish it and the cylinder with metal polish - a trick that has worked for me in the past. (11/99)
Interesting. Wonder how this could happen if everything else was functional. Old brake fluid + no use for a long time? (11/99)
I suppose quite possible if its a Eunos Roadster; they seem to hang about in japanese yards/ships/dublin yards/forecourts for about 3-4 months (well, mine had judging from the paperwork I had with it) (11/99)
Not in this case, my little baby has been running arounf the UK for 4 years. (11/99)

Brake calipers have chromed pistons with a ground finish and zinc/cadmium plated bodies. There is minimal clearance between these parts and two seals; square O ring style for the brake fluid and a dust boot.

Normally the dust boots cracks up with age/temperature. Then the grease gets out and water gets in .. some time later the piston seizes in the body as the rust expands.

So first inspect your dust boots .. unless these are in good condition you are only buying 9 months of time by fettling the rest; source new ones if required. Then use a blunt set of mole grips or proper brake bars to seal off the rubber hoses .. be careful to only just nip the rubber hose supplying the caliper. Next make sure the bleed nipple moves as if it does not you will not be able to bleed the brakes for reassembly... a prerequisite to doing the job.

Now take caliper off .. you can either pump the piston out with the brake pedal (but be ready with the blunt mole grips when it pops out) .. or blow it out with compressed air into a rag ... air will push piston out with a fair pop.. if really seized you will have to pump it out with the brake pedal.

Inspect chromed piston .. should be unpitted but you can live with slight pits.. knock off all loose bits around pits so it is smooth - screwdriver's edge will do this if used as scraper not chisel.

Now look in body .. the square seal will still be in place .. ideally hook out with flattern hooked old bit of screwdriver .. seal picker.. funny sort of thing.. watch you do not damage it if you have no replacement. Now clear the crud out with small screwdriver .. and if required use 300 grit wet'n'dry or finer to clear to the top of the steel surface (doesn't matter about rust in the pits).. now reassemble with silicon grease (DO NOT USE ordinary grease as it makes the seals swell and you caliper will seize on again...) Make sure there is some grease between the square seal and dust boot as this is what prevents the corrosion .. result is caliper 75% as good as new .. should last 4-5 years if the chrome is OK on the piston.

.... now the quick and dirty way for an MOT .. lever piston back into body (take one pad out and lean on disc .. naughty again) .. I have used a 5 ton hydraulic puller to do this... then put old pads back in .. and pump piston back out.. repeat about 5-6 times and the piston will be free... nasty but what used to happens every spring to my old Lancia for MOT .. summer use only so just fine (and it has bigger brakes then the '5' with a 1300cc..) (11/99)

Seizure of the piston(s) is the primary cause of caliper failure, and is not at all uncommon. Malcolm gave a good summary of how to fix it - you don't need a new caliper - you do need a caliper rebuild kit (I wouldn't contemplate stripping the caliper and not using a kit, except in dire emergency), and you might need a new piston. You can sometimes resurrect a seized piston by polishing with the finest grade of abrasive paper - make sure you clean it completely afterwards.

I read that Blueprint do a rebuild kit. You have to find a Blueprint stockist - they aren't that common, although I know a few.

Anyone got the full list?

Also available by mail order from Finish Line Performance (miata.net marketplace)

Does anyone know if you can get new pistons, and where? (11/99)

From miata net and other sources it seems as though the rear calipers seize quite often..Is there any cause for this or is it jsut normal wear and tear...they seem to be very expensive as well (12/99)
Due to lack of maintenance. The sliding pins should be lubricated with copper grease occasionally, and the handbrake adjustment kept up to scratch. Also the pistons must be retracted with the manual adjustment mechanism (allen screw behind a cap which looks like a bolt on the back of the caliper) when replacing pads. (12/99)
Today I replaced my rear pads on my 91 Eunos. I followed the book & wound bck the caliper OK. When I had reassembled it all, I had virtually no brakes, despite repeated operation. I then had to rewind the calipers out again until they just gripped. Brakes now OK,but does this mean they are not self adjusting? (1/00)
Yes .. you have to manually adjust them, although they must be the only rear hand-brake callipers I know that you do have to .. the mechanism is expensive and puts the unsprung weight up marginally! (1/00)

My passenger's side caliper on my 1994 1.8 Roadster have in the past been very noisy. After greasing the sliding pins, replacing the pads, oiling the braking mechanism, replacing the piston seal, putting a small piece of tin into the pin receptacle (to prevent uneven pad wear), I'm still left with my same problem, which I think I can guess why.

I recently noticed that when replacing the pads on the opposite wheel, it had a seal around where the top pin slides in and out of the rear receptacle. The problematic wheel has this missing - is this causing the grease on the to pin to dry out/dirt enter, and thus inhibit the sliding mechanism? If I dismantle the caliper (which I have done on numerous occasions), and re-grease the whole thing, it is fine for 3-4 weeks - then the orchestra starts - giving the impression of drying out/getting dirty.

Phoning Mazda, the small rubber seal will cost £40 as part of a caliper overhaul kit. Ouch!

So:
(a) Anyone recommend a company that can refurbish calipers
(b) Anyone know where I can pick up a 1.8 caliper (cheaply)
(c) Anyone know if a 323 caliper will have the same rubber seal, and if so - where can I get one
(d) Will replacing this darn seal fix my problem? (6/00)

a) I don't think you need one, yet.

b) Ka Yu or Powerdrift et al.

c)I would guess they are, so try a Mazda dealer (but not the same one as before. He might remember you and suss out you are trying to save money.) Alternative there must be other makes of car that have the same little bit of rubber.

d)I would guess so. You could try moving the seal from the other calliper. If the problem moves then you have found the cause. (6/00)

My brake calipers are looking very tatty, even though they are only 10 months old. I'd like to tart them up a bit, so has anybody got any suggestions? Is hammerite any good, or will the INTENSE heat cause it to burst into flames creating an illusion of the Bat-mobile down our local high street and prompting the local fire service into action? Can you buy proper caliper paint? (8/00)
You can buy calpier paint but it aint cheap , try demon tweeks . (8/00)
You can get caliper lacquer made by a company called Foliatec. The only place I've seen this in the UK is Xtreme in Harlow who have gold, black, red, silver, yellow and blue ('cos we have all the best cosmetic mods here in Essex ;-) - it costs about 20 quid. (8/00)
FOLIATEC (or summat like that....DT, Carnoisseur....& Halfords...& probably "that tatty spares place on the corner"....) Various colours, £20 IIRC (8/00)
Great minds on the Foliatec advice... As luck would have it I did mine two years ago AND took a pic half an hour ago - although the pic. was in amazement at how much EBC Green Stuff pad dust can be generated with an hours spirited driving on Scottish lanes! You can just see the caliper. The red colour is very "strong" and the paint itself very durable. Go for it!! http://members.tripod.co.uk/yee_har/fto/fto_images/brakedust.jpg (8/00)
You can buy proper calliper paint but it costs a fortune. I have painted mine in hammerite about 2.5 years ago, & they still look good. This includes a track day too. (8/00)
I used an engine laquer paint on the calipers on my last mini (1967 1275cooper S) that had hard pads (run hotter) and even on track days it was fine. I wouldnt spend a fortune on expensive laquer - even if the pads are very hot the actual calipers will be relitavely cool as the contact area between the pad and the caliper piston is quite small. I think it was Hammerite engine laquer that I used and after 2 years it looked fine. (8/00)
Yes you can buy 'proper' caliper paint sold at all outlets that do big boom boxes and carbon fibre sticky backed plastic to annoying kids in Vauxhall Nova's etc. :-) (8/00)
I did the job today, and I used Hammerite smooth in Gold. If it looks shite I'll just recoat with something else, but paint was only a fiver,compared with proper paint. (8/00)
I've been thinking its time I greased the caliper pins before they seaze up, whats the best stuff to use, obviously normal grease melts with the heat and I've heard that copperslip goes rock hard with heat! What can I use ?? (9/00)
They don't get very hot. Just use either Lithium grease (ie "Ordinary" grease) or I've recently greased mine with synthetic grease (usually comes in a tube) - don't know how that's going yet. But do it at least once a year. (And take the caliper completely off the slider pin - make sure the pin is clean before greasing and reassembly) (9/00)

Went over to Mazda to get the prices of the slider pins for the rear brake calipers. After much hunting around on their database, we found them: "pins, slider". Only, 2 were listed per side, with the same part number on each side. I thought they were different? They're not much; about £2.50 each or so, but can anyone confirm, before I order them.

Would ordering a seal kit be a good idea, or not necessary. I seem to remember when I looked at the seals, they looked ok, without any splits. (10/00)

I'm very confused, too.

I am absolutely, 100% certain that on each rear caliper there is one slider, which is a smooth cylinder with a thread on one end (on a reduced diameter) and either a hex socket or a hex shape at the other end (both varieties are around). See the illustration I referred you to before on Finish Line Performance. This goes into a blind hole in the caliper.

There is also a slider/bolt, which is a longish bolt with a smooth section to act as a slider and a threaded section (at the opposite end to the head) which screws into the mounting bracket. The latter is described as a lock bolt in the workshop manual.

The front caliper is different. This has two identical lock bolt/slider pins. they too have a smooth section and a threaded section, but the threaded section is below the head and the smooth slider section is at the end of the bolt. The difference is because the format of the mounting brackets for front and rear calipers are completely different.

I can only think that the dealer was looking at a pic of the front caliper. If the seals are intact (I assume you mean the rubber seals covering the slider bolts) they should be OK. I spray all rubber seals with rubber lubricant whenever I look at them - it keeps the rubber supple. Make sure that the seals are properly located in the grooves provided for them around the respective holes. (10/00)

Unseizing the calipers

Jack the car up and support it firmly - take the wheel off, release the handbrake.

See if you can move the handbrake pivot on the caliper. You may be able to identify if the cable is seized, or the pivot in the caliper is seized. It may help to remove the cable from the pivot. You may or may not be able to free either or both, but if one or other is seized you'll need to be planning on replacing the cable, and/or rebuilding or exchanging the caliper. It might be OK for a while, but it may happen again any time.

However, if both of those are free, proceed as follows:

Remove the plug from the back of the caliper (looks like a bolt), insert an allen key (4mm?) into the adjuster and see if you can retract the piston - don't use too much force or you'll damage the adjuster splines. Hopefully the piston will retract, but anyway, proceed to the next step. Remove the lower pivot bolt.

Try and rotate the caliper - a crowbar or tyre lever might be handy, but be careful.

You should eventually be able to get it to rotate, then when the caliper is clear of the disc and the pads, it might pull towards you off the top pivot. Use some force if necessary, again being careful.

If you're lucky, you'll get it off. In that case, check the condition of the rubber boots on the sliding pins. If they've got holes in, you'll need new ones, but it's not undriveable even if they are damaged. Grease the sliding pins - I use Finish Line Synthetic bicycle lubricant - black tube from Halfords Cycle dept.

Be very careful not to trap the boots when you reassemble. Adjust the handbrake with the allen key adjuster until the disc is locked, then back it off 1/3 - 1/2 a turn.

If the caliper won't come off the pivot, you have a problem. You need to disconnect the handbrake cable, the hydraulic hose (clamp it with a proper hose clamp) and remove the caliper complete with bracket. (2 bolts bracket to hub carrier)

Take it to a bench/vice. Hold the bracket in the vice and hit the caliper, preferably with something that won't damage it, such as a brass drift and hammer. Be very careful where you hit it, and only use just sufficient force. It will eventually come off. You'll need to clean up the pin and its socket.

Grease the sliding pins in the other side, and keep them greased regularly in future - at least once every 6 months.

If you feel you really need a new caliper, you could rebuild or get an exchange one - it looks as though an exchange one might be a better bet. (6/01)

Excellent instructions, to which I can only add: If the pivot arm does not move freely and if you have the caliper loose, you can put it upside down on the lower A-arm and use some rust penetrating oil on the area where the pivot arm comes out of the caliper. Let it sit for a night or so, and try to move the pivot arm now and then. It should become free. Then apply some acid free thin oil to the area and let it sit for some hours again. I have tried that method two times, and AFAIK, in both cases this has worked for years and still does (combined with proper routine maintenance). (6/01)
 
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